Self-inquiry, August 6, 2023

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Self-inquiry

With Mukesh Gupta

Sunday, August 6, 2023

At the Krishnamurti Educational Centre of Canada

 

Six people in total were present for this Sunday afternoon self-inquiry dialogue at the Metchosin location. One participant was new to what we were doing but quickly seemed to pick up on the kind of questioning and communicating we were making use of in exploring our natures and being aware of or “seeing” our habits and tendencies of thought and conditioning. We began investigating the fact of disharmony in us and what is the cause or source of it. We shared the central importance of learning about our inner conflicts and used the story of Adam and Eve in Paradise to discuss the functioning of “right” and “wrong” in our living. Authority often tells us how we should live and we may follow that direction rather than listening to our own inner essence or intuition. Can we look at the source of our activities and see if it is from our inner truth or from our conditioning?

We explored the source of “seeing”. What is seeing? Is there a formula or solution for clear seeing? We spent a good deal of time exploring such questions. It was pointed out that the identification with the sense of “I” is the source of most of our problems. It involves an investment in the past, in a dead image, and thus creates many conflicts and much disharmony. The dialogue was a lively one which was felt to be insightful and relevant to the pursuit of self-understanding.

DB

Self-inquiry, August 2, 2023

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Self-inquiry

With Mukesh Gupta

Wednesday, August 2, 2023

Esquimalt Gorge Park Pavilion

 

Nine people attended this Wednesday afternoon meeting at the Gorge Park Pavilion on Tillicum Road. We began with a short silent meditation followed by a proposal on Mukesh’s part that participants then put forward questions we might probe more deeply as the session progressed. A variety of questions were presented.

– Why is what we do called self-inquiry?

– What is the self?

– Who is doing the inquiry?

– How does the mind condition itself?

– How does love un-condition us?

– Is there a burning question?

– Are these questions really a part of our lives? What is truly alive in us?

 

We then looked into the issue of being with an uncomfortable feeling or issue vs. escaping from it. What does it mean to “surrender” to the situation or to totally let go? We wondered about the value of others’ suggestions when seeking solutions and it appeared that love can support the process of “blossoming” that Krishnamurti spoke about. Wanting things to be other than they are was given as a major cause of our suffering and the ending of resistance was proposed as more significant than acceptance of the way they are.

It was offered that suffering can be an awakening if we stay with it, but it may lose its power when we forget to question. The “me” is in the habit of continuity of its own survival. Asking the question “Who am I?” is crucial in dismantling the reality given to the “I” or egoic self. It is not a question of stopping anything but more of seeing the action of the thought process operating as the “self”.

The meeting was full of significant questions and insights, which made it refreshingly interesting and valuable as an engagement with the truth of self-inquiry as Krishnamurti expressed it and as we attempt to practise it in our dialogue meetings.

DB

Self-inquiry, July 30, 2023

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Self-inquiry

Sunday, July 30, 2023

With Mukesh Gupta

At KECC, Swanwick Rd., Metchosin, BC

 

Ten people in total were present for this Sunday afternoon meeting at the Krishnamurti Educational Centre of Canada in Metchosin, BC. Mukesh Gupta, the resident support person, facilitated the session in his usual skillful manner. He began with a silent meditation, then shared some of the basic principles and characteristics of the dialogue format as opposed to an intellectual discussion of concepts and beliefs. There was then a space for participants to bring forward any important question that was on their mind. The first one to share asked about the nature of understanding, which initiated a series of observations on the subject of knowing. How do we know anything? Is normal understanding not a limited conclusion about something, a judgement of good or bad, right vs. wrong, and so on. It is often an assertion of the self and therefore an expression of a kind of arrogance rather than of humility. It was asked if words are always limited. Can anything actually be said about truth or understanding? Are words anything more than pointers and symbols? It was suggested that a certain kind of recognition can accurately represent what is true or false. Is this connected with a curiosity and desire to learn?

Sometimes it is said in “Non-dual” circles that there is only awareness, but this was questioned. Is this a reality for us or just a concept? Can we go beyond hurt and pain? Is there knowing without a knower? Can we give up or surrender the self? What is involved in “letting go”? What does “allowing things to be as they are” actually mean? Can love and hate co-exist? These were some of the questions arising within the dialogue.

Krishnamurti’s style of questioning and discussing was looked at. Was he given the status of an authority or a guru and would that be helpful in our inquiries? One participant commented that K asked if we were really seeing what he was pointing to or did people mainly just accept what he said as the truth?

It was a very interesting session made even more enjoyable due to the sunny weather and the lovely outdoor setting in front of the main house.

 

DB

Self-inquiry, July 23, 2023

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Self-inquiry with Mukesh Gupta

Sunday, July 23, 2023

Krishnamurti Educational Centre of Canada

Metchosin, BC

 

There were seven of us present for this afternoon session at the Krishnamurti Educational Educational Centre of Canada in Metchosin, BC. We began with a silent meditation which seemed to take us deeply into an alert and attentive state. The meeting was then opened to any important questions participants might have and one person expressed a desire to explore the qualities of order and disorder. Presumably by understanding the meanings of both words the concepts might become more clearly comprehended. This led into a detailed and in-depth inquiry about the subtleties in their relative meanings, similarities, and differences which gave many of us a deeper understanding of their place in Krishnamurti’s teachings and their possibly misunderstood elements. For Krishnamurti, active self-knowledge – or his version of meditation – seemed to be the basis of understanding oneself, for which the intention to know oneself was the beginning. One must begin by wanting to know oneself and then observing one’s moment – to – moment thoughts and feelings. Many finer points in this process were shared and looked into as we moved through the meeting. As usual, Mukesh guided us skillfully through the communications which sought to uncover ever deeper aspects of the questions that were arising to be explored.

Self-inquiry, July 19, 2023

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Self-inquiry with Mukesh Gupta

Wednesday, July 19, 2023

At Esquimalt Gorge Pavilion

 

Seven people in total were present for this late afternoon meeting at the lovely Gorge Park pavilion. Mukesh began the session with a silent sit of about five minutes before making his usual introductory comments about the nature of dialogue. What is important in this kind of exploration, he pointed out, is to avoid making it into an intellectual exercise. Slowing down our thinking and sharing of ideas and insights helps us to go more deeply into silence, affection, and love, which are some of the valuable aspects of self-inquiry.

Mukesh then opened up the dialogue for any questions needing exploration for the participants. The first question was related to Krishnamurti’s statement that “seeing is action”. The questioner felt he did not have a full understanding of K’s meaning. One group member offered that K’s use of the word “action” might be different than the usual way in which the term is used. He felt that the meaning of “action” for K involved a deep inner shift or change which was beyond external expression or any “doing”. It was a case of insight rather than any change in thinking or conceptualising.

The inquiry moved into the issue of ending suffering, perhaps the essence of self Knowledge and meditation. The difference between what is and what should be was examined along with resistance to “what is”. The story of the Buddha’s enlightenment was introduced and contrasted with that of Krishnamurti. Key elements were considered to be the significance of self-knowledge, the meaning of psychological death, and the ending of continuity. The inquiry seemed to bring a fairly profound questioning and looking at some significant issues in our understanding of ourselves and perhaps of K’s perspectives.

Self-inquiry, July 16, 2023

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Self-inquiry

With Mukesh Gupta

July 16, 2023

Krishnamurti Educational Centre of Canada

 

Nine of us were in attendance at this outdoor Sunday meeting at the Swanwick Road location of KECC in Metchosin. Our communication was made sometimes difficult by occasional gusts of wind and yet the benefits of sitting outdoors on a lovely day made up for the difficulty in hearing each other. Mukesh began the session with a short guided meditation which suggested we notice and slow down our breathing and pay attention to body sensations and external sounds like the wind, letting thoughts flower and dissolve by themselves. He then spoke briefly about the difference between inquiry and discussion or debate which do not support transformation in a deep way. The floor was then opened to any burning questions that might be active for participants in the present moment.

After some time of silent sitting, one group member asked if it would have any value to share life situations or problems and to explore such issues in greater detail. It was acknowledged that such inquiry could be useful and potentially significant and Mukesh asked if we are satisfied with our lives as they are or, alternatively, are we deeply interested in some kind of radical change. This led participants to share a number of issues that seemed well worth exploring more fully. The experience of restlessness was brought forward along with discontent and boredom. The question was asked, “What is blocking our inner freedom and creating a sense of contraction, limitation, and the desire to be loved?” We looked into the contrast of dissatisfaction felt by the “self” or “ego” and the joy of pure Being and the sense of expansiveness and spaciousness felt when the self is transcended or falls away at least temporarily. The necessity of self-knowledge and of regular attention to the activities of thought and the “self” was explored in some depth until it seemed we had reached a natural ending of our dialogue for the present time. It felt like the time had been well spent.

DB

Choiceless Awareness, Part 4: The Inner Quest

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Choiceless Awareness, Part 4: The Inner Quest

With Cynthia Overweg Online

July 15, 2023

At Krishnamurti Educational Centre of Canada

 

Fifteen people, all included, were present for this meeting led online by Cynthia Overweg from Ojai, California. It was the last in a series of meetings exploring the subject of choiceless awareness, which Cynthia claimed to be probably the pillar of J. Krishnamurti’s teachings. Choiceless awareness dissolves all conditioning, even if for just a short time, she said.

A number of questions significant for this inquiry are related to the fact of seeking: What are we seeking? Is it freedom from the “me”? What is the difference between seeking and “the state of search”? Who is seeking? Can all seeking end? Does the negation of the “me” end all seeking? Why do we seek at all? In the face of the fact that everything is impermanent and nothing lasts, why do we seek physical and psychological security? Do we seek to fill a void that cannot be filled?

The inquiry went into a number of aspects of the “seeker”, including the feeling of loneliness which, when felt without naming or conceptualising, can be a way into the very core of the self which is attempting to continue its existential journey through life while avoiding being nothing. This requires awareness from moment to moment, a direct looking at the facts. Truth comes to the mind that understands the activity of seeking. “Doing” is not required but, rather, being still and receptive from the beginning of our meditative journey. A careful attention to the movements of thought is necessary for the dissolving of the self or “me”. Attention stills the mind and makes choiceless awareness possible, along with the arising of compassion.

The session consisted of about an hour presentation by Cynthia followed by a group exploration of the ideas presented. It was felt to be a somewhat “heavy” exploration of concepts not easy to understand and yet there was an appreciation of the message and of Cynthia’s skill in communicating it. A number of participants requested more such gatherings, which were felt to have significant value in the “pursuit” of self-knowledge.

DB

Self- Inquiry, July 12, 2023

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Self-inquiry

July 12, 2023

With Mukesh Gupta

Esquimalt Gorge Pavilion

 

A total of nine people showed up for a Wednesday afternoon dialogue facilitated by Mukesh Gupta and sponsored by the Krishnamurti Educational Centre of Canada. After brief introductions from the participants, Mukesh began as usual with an outline of the process of dialogue and “Meditative self-inquiry”, both of which aim to clarify the nature of the self we take as our identity in our daily lives as well as in unusual situations. An important aspect of self-inquiry is the entry into the depth of a serious question, letting it flower and reveal itself fully. This involves slowing the mind and opening the heart with an attentiveness which observes the movement of thought and the mind. There is also a deep listening, a suspending of your immediate reactions, and a giving of space for thought to unravel its ways of engaging with life.

One group member expressed that she felt she was a “nobody” more than a “somebody” and she was asked to elaborate further on this idea. It was suggested that trying to be a somebody and trying to be a nobody were equally incorrect and that one should not aspire to either one, as Krishnamurti did not in his own life. There was then some interesting talk about finding a balance within ourselves, the falseness of judging oneself and others, and the value of human life. We questioned whether we are living as an image or a story and what place habits have in such a life. Can we be aware of our habits and be free of them? And can we allow each other to be as we are?

Our meeting wound up with appreciation of the world’s beauty and the joy of exposure to nature. Krishnamurti was quoted: “When the self is, the “other” is not.” We looked at the difference between stopping an action and observing it without motive. Writing down our thoughts was deemed to be helpful

Self-inquiry, July 5, 2023

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Self-inquiry

Wednesday, July 5, 2023

With Mukesh Gupta

Esquimalt Gorge Pavilion, Victoria,

 

Six people attended this Wednesday afternoon meeting at the new Gorge Pavilion. It seems that recently the same or similar issues regularly come up for our group investigation. The central challenge seems to be the difficulty for the thinking mind in coming to a state of rest or quietness. Participants described how in various ways their minds are obsessed with keeping themselves occupied by watching TV, movies, the news, competitive sports, and so on, all of which leave a mark on the consciousness. It is difficult to restrict ourselves from engaging in these activities, but most of us seem to be compelled to avoid a feeling of emptiness within, a loneliness or fear of missing out (FOMO), This often produces a sensation of rushing to get things done.

The avoidance of “the void” can often create a sense of superficiality in one’s life, a constant escaping from the reality of the present moment. On the other hand, staying with the inner emptiness brings about a greater authenticity and a deeper sense of awareness of one’s inner psychology along with a greater ability to allow for gaps in the continuity of thought.

Mukesh asked each one of us to describe what brings a greater awareness into our lives. There were a variety of responses, all very interesting. A few participants mentioned that it is important to observe carefully whatever is happening in our thinking, especially when we are faced with a crisis of some kind. It was also said to be important to see that thought is limited and cannot solve our important problems.

Self-inquiry, July 2, 2023

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Self-inquiry

With Mukesh Gupta

KECC, Metchosin, BC

Sunday, July 2, 2023

 

Seven of us gathered on the front lawn of the Krishnamurti Educational Centre of Canada, located in Metchosin, BC, on a warm and sunny afternoon to explore ourselves through the process of “dialogue” or “meditative self-inquiry”, as Mukesh likes to call it. It is an exercise in looking carefully at the movement of thought in ourselves in order to gain insight into our thought processes. Such insight, Krishnamurti suggests, can generate a sense of freedom and well-being. Mukesh, the facilitator for the day, usually begins by describing some of the features of such a dialogue and then asks participants to bring forward any important questions or issues they would like to explore in the context of a group inquiry or investigation. On this occasion one group member asked “Why is the mind not able to be quiet? Why is it always in movement?” These questions opened up a strong interest in the relation between loss, pain, attachment, and suffering. Why do we not live in the present moment and why do memories play such a significant role in our experience? Why do we try to control life and shape it as we think it “should be” rather than letting it be as it is? What does it mean to “be with what is”, as Krishnamurti suggests, and to “see the fact”. This may make way for a “deeper energy” that acts with love and compassion. Sometimes there can be a spontaneous arising of deep appreciation and “preciousness” which can bring meaning to our lives.

The meeting came to a close with a wondering about the energy of desire and its significance. We agreed that it would be a worthwhile subject to explore in another dialogue. It was an appropriate place to bring the session to a gentle ending.