Cause and Effect Crusades

Krishnamurti states in today’s quote: “Why need you have an ideal of non-violence?” “You have been brought up, most unfortunately, on ideals. Ideals are just words. They have no meaning whatsoever, they have no substance. They are just the barren children of a vain, thoughtless mind! You have been brought up on the ideal of nonviolence. You go around preaching all over the world nonviolence. Nonviolence is the ideal…(read the whole quote).  As I am just re-entering the world of Facebook, one thing that stands out is the number of “issues” and “causes” people appear to be involved in. There seem to be a myriad of “save the world” or “help make the world a better place” crusades. Although on the surface this activity might seem noble and spiritually correct, the underlying motives appear to be “causing” as much division and hatred, conflict and separation between “us.” And hence, non-acceptance of the way “things” (including people) actually are…at least in this “picture” or dream world. I remember attending a David Hawkins lecture in Sedona. One of the questions from the floor was something like… “What should I do to help others become more spiritual?” Hawkins responded… “If you are required to save the world, you will be notified.” From “my” viewpoint, there is absolutely nothing wrong with anybody or any activity that appears to happen in day-to-day life. Nothing to change. And certainly nobody to fix. “I have no idea what’s going on, and I wouldn’t know what to do about it if I did.” – George Carlin

Weekend Mooji Retreat

      Mooji Retreat December 12 – 14, 2014         This weekend event featured video showings of a retreat with Mooji held in Zmar, Portugal, in May of 2014,  The opening Friday night session was attended by seven people and after some heart-felt expressions about what had brought them to the Swanwick Centre, we watched the introductory satsang with Mooji, followed by a silent sit and guided meditation.  Some of the participants at the Portugal venue were obviously ready to jump right in and some serious questions and inquiry took place very quickly.   On Saturday we were joined by two more participants and watched a second satsang (in two parts) and had two more silent sits and guided meditations as well as a dialogue session during which people shared their understanding and experience of Mooji’s teaching and how it is relevant in their lives.  An introductory video was also shown about Krishnamurti’s life and teachings.   There was time during the day for outdoor walks on the property and rest time.  In the evening one more half of a satsang was shown.  Sunday started off with a satang in the morning and there was another one in the afternoon, with a period for sharing before lunch.   The retreat was essentially conducted in silence until lunch on Sunday, after which participants elected to lift the silence but to remain “present” while speaking.  The retreat was brought to a completion by late afternoon.  The atmosphere of the weekend was one of serious but joyful contemplation and sharing.   Mooji’s pointings were, as usual, very focused in asking people to look again and again at their actual experience and to ask “who” or “what” the experiencer is in fact.  One of his main emphases is to help people to see that the “I-me” is nothing but a fabrication of thought and that we are suffering from a false sense of self which then suffers from ideas it has about itself.  At times the conversations with seekers were very humorous, at times quite fierce and challenging.   The participants at Swanwick enjoyed tremendously the explorations of what we are and what we take ourselves to be and reported some significant shifts in their understanding and “seeing”.          

Weekend Events at the Centre

    Krishnamurti Study Group Saturday, December 6, 2014         This was the concluding session in the study of Freedom From the Known by J. Krishnamurti.   All five participants had been attending the meetings on a regular basis over the past year.   They were asked to share, if they so desired, their understanding of the essence for them of K’s teachings and how the teachings have impacted their lives.  After some minutes for quiet contemplation of the question, participants shared as they were moved.   The quality of the sharing was quite sensitive and profound and the expressions of how the teachings are alive in people’s daily experience of themselves were very touching and significant.  The last session of the year on December 20 will include a film about Krishnamurti entitled “With A Silent Mind” and the new year will begin with the study of the K book “The First and Last Freedom”. Inquiry Sunday Sunday, December 7, 2014 The morning session, attended by six people, began with a video showing of a talk given by Rupert Spira at the Science and Non-duality Conference in California this year.  Everyone seemed to feel that the talk was brilliant and valuable for their own process of self inquiry.   One of the main emphases of the talk was the difference it makes to place attention on the knowing awareness by which objects are known rather than to identify with and give importance to the objects themselves.  Rupert led us in a clear and logical exploration of consciousness itself as we know it.   The video was followed by a discussion of its meaning for the participants.  It was mentioned that Rupert and Krishnamurti are essentially pointing to the same state of attention or awareness. In the afternoon there was a showing of the video “The Mirror of Relationship” from the Evelyn Blau series “Beyond Myth and Tradition”.   Krishnamurti speaks in these excerpts from his talks of the power of being aware of ourselves in relationship and the insight that arises as we look at ourselves in this mirror.   He emphasizes that when we create images of each other there is no real relationship.  In the following dialogue the question was asked, “How can we prevent these images from interfering?”  The discussion focused on the need to be attentive to the images as they arise so that they dissolve in the presence of awareness.  This was explored in some detail.             

It’s only a matter of time.

“To discover what is beyond time, thought must come to an end” …(Link to full K quote) Last evening I enjoyed the new movie “Theory of Everything” – the life story of Stephen Hawking. An extraordinary love story, with some extraordinary acting and cinematography. The scientific aspects of his quest to find the beginning of time are kind of in the background. This whole business of time and space as illusion has been known for centuries by sages and mystics, however, it appears science is still trying to “get it,” so to speak, using thought and thinking…which is all that time is. But the beginning of the universe and time simply cannot be located by time (thought). It’s only a matter of time before science runs out of molecules or thought. “Physics tells us that time functions relative to the one that is observing time. It would appear that every last particle of the observable stellar universe, even at the smallest quantum level, seems to function and have its basis in never-present time. Even at the level of energy, every bit of the observable universe appears to be vibrating, moving; it never stops passing in on in time, or not-being, to genuinely be. It means the entire universe never is present. What’s more, it takes time to observe the universe. And, the entire functioning of the very human, thinking mind that claims to observe that universe has its basis only in never-present time. Therefore that observing mind never is present, or being. Einstein demonstrated that time doesn’t move at a fixed rate, but seems to move at a speed “relative” to the one who is observing time. Now, let’s take a look at being or presence. From the standpoint of being, one now can see that time is not relative. Time takes on an “absolute” status again, but in a new way. From the premise of being, time isn’t relative to anything because in being, time never occurs! Being’s changeless presence precludes “the arrow of time.” Just as infinity has no spatial measurement, neither does being. There is absolutely no space or dimension in being, in the present. Being, the present is not present at all points in physical space. Being does not “fill” or occupy space. Why? To speak of movement in space, thus time, is to speak of what-is-not-being, instead of what-is-being. Being, the present, is the absence of time, which is also the absence of measureable space or dimension. As only the infinite-present, pure being, is what is being, and is the absence of time, then it does not permit or co-exist with time. Thus the infinite-present is not between past and future, but is the utter preclusion of past and future, all time. That which is truly present – being, infinity – involves no time, no space, no matter. As being is time-less, space-less, quality-less – then, being, like infinity, is irreducible. So, being makes it clear that the last irreducible “something” we’ve been seeking isn’t a quantum particle, string, or other form, but is Being, itself. The fact that infinity, being, is measureless, of course means it is un-observable and un-testable – and therefore unacceptable in scientific experimentation. The infinity of Being is clean and simple – an eternal absolute, standing present outside of time, cause and effect. Ever-elusive as being seems, science should not leave it completely out of consideration, just because being isn’t observable or measureable, or has no form. To be reality, reality has to be. Not to belabour the point, but if something isn’t specifically present, if it isn’t really being, then it certainly isn’t being real. Whatever the “ultimate reality” of life or existence is, does it not have to truly exist and be present? Whether one expects “ultimate reality” should have an incredibly small sub-atomic form, a mathematical form, or even a mental, theoretical form – to say reality has not yet been found, is saying no form has been found. While science may claim we are not yet able to say what reality is, it can be said with certainty that reality is. Again, by definition, in order to be reality, reality has to be. So it can be said for certain that reality must be that which is being. The fact that being has no measureable form means reality has no form. Being, thus reality, is the absence of time – and this shows in another way why reality has no form. In time-less reality, no time passes in which anything could be formed! No time passes in which any form could be discovered – or even considered un-discovered! One implication of Godel’s famous incompleteness theorem is that it is possible for something to be un-provable, yet true – and that points directly at being, infinity. Being, Infinity, can’t be proven mathematically or by data, for true infinity exists outside of numbers, formulas and data. Infinity exists outside of time. Yet un-provable infinity, being, is what truly is, or what is true. One simply cannot get around this, for if one attempts to say there is no being, one first has to be in order to even say that!” Excerpted from “The New Infinity” by P Dziuban            

The First-Ever UVic Spiritual Awakening Meetup!

On November 25th, I had the pleasure of facilitating the first UVic Spiritual Awakening Meetup. The event was well-attended with 15 “Awakeners”, including myself and my supportive partner, who helped me set up. There were a number of young adults and students in attendance. People were drawn both by the Meetup website and also by the many posters I designed and posted on campus. The evening featured three short videos on awakening and seeing beyond the limitations of the conditioned mind. The combination of short videos from Gangaji, Adyashanti and Mooji was very well received, and very much in line with Krishnamurti’s insight on conditioning and psychological transformation. There was also a discussion about K’s statement, “You are the world”, and why it’s important to first understand ourselves if we wish to effect positive change in the world. The evening included brief meditative periods to allow for reflection before commencing dialogue. A few people were pleased to take the “On Knowing Oneself” booklet and expressed an interest in the Krishnamurti Educational Centre’s events in Metchosin. Everybody who attended stayed for the entirety of the two hours of the event. I received many heartfelt words of gratitude, including some warm hugs, as people seemed to really connect with the content of the evening, the inspired discussion, and the way the event was facilitated. I look forward to the next UVic Spiritual Awakening Meetup, which will take place in January.  

“Robert, you are in denial!”

A few years back while I was playing the role of “Lord of the Lodge” at one of the better known west coast retreat centres, one of the staff – after reading ‘my’ book – said, “Robert, I think you are in denial!” She never actually made it clear as to what I was in denial of, but never the less, it seemed to spark an internal inquiry. After a lot of pondering, the only thing that I could come up with was that, yes indeed, I was denying the Truth of who or what I Am. I was continuing to strive to become “awake” like I believed the teachers whose pointings I had been following – Maharshi, Nisargadatta, Krishnamurti, Eckhart, Francis Lucille, and a few others. For a while, Mooji was my only teacher and although his basic instruction is that “you have nothing to do,” and “to remain as the Self.” It seems the mind was still trying to “get it” somehow. Robert WAS in denial! Anyway, this is just sort of an intro into what follows. It seems that whenever I am in the company of “like-minded” folks…like this afternoon, and the conversation appears to be on a real superficial level, with lots of “because” or “they should or shouldn’t,” or giving ‘personal’ credit (or blame), cause and effect, etc. etc., this character, “me,” seems to take on the role of a Zen stick and wants to keep reminding them that they are acting like they are in denial. Denial of who they really are. And sometimes it might appear to be abrupt and that I am being like the non-dual police. It might appear to be like that, but it really comes from a place of Love. Love of My Self in a temporary disguise as my friend sitting across the table. It’s like “come-on get Real, or stop-it! Stop denying what You know you are. Start Being It! Walk the talk!” “You know You are this Magnificence. This, Unconditional Love. You never were this dream character that appears to be in this fantasy called daily life and living!” “So, snap out of it!” (sort of hitting them across the back of the head with a Zen stick.) But again, all of what appears to be confrontational is not that at all! Even though I know there is no “they” or “them” or any one actually saying all the gibberish (or reacting to it!) love and compassion seem to arise. Instead of the statement made by Paul Heddermans and others, “We are all in recovery.” How about, “We are all in denial!” Has a different flavour…no? It’s like ignoring what and who I Am (and have always been) as opposed to a belief that there every was one to recover. Or, believing one is sick and needs to recover to become well or whole again. As opposed to denying the One ever became ill and has always been all the Wellness there is! But of course the One I Am cannot do either…It just IS! There are 4 quotes on Denial on the Official K Site… http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/krishnamurti-teachings/daily-quote-list.php?t=Denial        

How about a “Choiceless Awareness” Inquiry?

This is no way attempting to downplay the obvious wonderful and insightful revelations that appeared to unfold during last weekend’s retreat. And, as I wasn’t in attendance, I am only adding my perspective to the excellent overview given by David. How about a fourth option? Referencing one of K’s favourite quotes: A “Choiceless-Awareness” Inquiry. Or, It could even be called, a pure, nondual Self-inquiry. It may sound similar to the first inquiry that Scott teaches as far as remaining as Awareness without any doing etc. However, abiding as the Self, this inquiry is Awareness “choicelessly” inquiring as to what is true of Itself ALONE. As is sometimes said, if one is Self-consciousness, one cannot simultaneously be self-conscious. If one is abiding as Being, Awareness only, no thoughts arise. Only when one seems or appears to ignore Being, Self (and there is no other!) do thoughts and emotions appear to arise. And further to last weekend’s theme of addictions and desires, this is a question posted during the “Stillness Speaks” forum on the nature of Awareness, which was also hosted by Scott Kiloby, Peter Dziuban and Greg Goode: “Ven: What is your take on desire – both ‘before’ and ‘after’? ‘After’ realization, presumably even if desire arises, it is quickly seen through, since desire implies separation – an ‘I’ wanting to get a separate object, wealth, fame, etc. But then why do some teachers seem to have acted in desire-driven ways? Was their realization incomplete? And ‘before’ realization, should a sadhaka strive to ignore desire/thoughts and focus attention on consciousness, on ‘I am’, as Ramana and Nisargadatta taught?  It seems that one can understand quite readily what is being pointed to, but then one also needs to be/live the understanding; to see that the ‘I’ is illusory. And there seems to be a point at which the ‘I thought’ is permanently destroyed – which perhaps is the difference between a Ramana / Nisargadatta and the teachers referred to above.  Rupert Spira said: “The first true glimpse of this is sometimes known as Enlightenment or Awakening, although in almost all cases the habitual tendencies of the mind and the body reappear and apparently veil this Knowingness again. The subsequent establishment in this understanding, sometimes known as Self-realization, is not a process towards a goal. It is a re-orchestration of the body, mind and world that comes from understanding, rather than going towards it. Enlightenment is instantaneous. Self-Realization takes time. Is continuously coming back to the intellectual understanding enough or does one need to focus attention for as much time as possible on the ‘I am’ and ignore other thoughts?” Peter D. answers: “This point illustrates the “value” of consistently “starting from” or AS, history-less Awareness. This may be a matter of simply silently abiding or resting as Awareness, and it also can be a matter of inquiry as to what is true of history-less Awareness, as we’ll see. As said repeatedly, after all, Awareness is “starting as” Itself exclusively, and there is no other. The answer to the individual questions above will vary, depending on where one’s stance is taken. And again, the only real, true stance is that of Awareness being Itself. Intellectual understanding of Awareness is not necessary to pure Awareness. It implies another who could understand or not understand. The ease of simple, clear Presence to Itself is not a matter of better thinking—it is the absence of thinking. Yet at times, on the apparent level, intellectual understanding seems a useful, necessary step. The very questions imply a secondary, less-than-Awareness-Itself state has occurred, and it really hasn’t. If one starts from the would-be apparent (which Awareness is not doing) it seems as if a dualistic prior state has happened, and which must be let go of, dissolved, risen out of, etc. etc. if one wants to be free or “realized.” There usually appears to be work involved in this, a discipline, a striving, and of course it implies otherness. Starting directly as history-less Awareness (which, admittedly, may seem to require some “seeing” but not too much), it’s a different ballgame. It is entirely a matter of what freely present Awareness is to Itself—no past in which a prior experience occurred, and which now must be let go of, or risen out of, and no need to gain anything. This is light, free, openness—an effortless but gently alive abiding as that which cannot fail to be, as opposed to striving to bring something about. It may take some alertness, especially “at first”—but it’s only a noticing that Awareness Itself never fails—it’s not a matter of having to accomplish. It’s like the difference between coasting down a hill, or struggling to climb it. In the first one, there is no work to do, even though one still is alert. This does not mean to imply that habits and tendencies will instantly cease because they still may continue. Even after the history-less-ness of present Awareness is clear, such things may try to assert themselves. But there is no claiming of them as “my” habit or “my” weakness. Equally, if one is honest, there will be no “going along with them” either—such as an inclination to excessively or unnaturally indulge in alcohol, sex, etc. In other words, sometimes we’ll readily agree Awareness never has experienced the pains of the body, but it’s not always as quickly agreed that Awareness never has experienced the pleasures of the body either! This is not a judgment of these things. There is no one to judge either good or bad. It’s just that as long as these are indulged (or opposed) the attention is on them, and it seems there is an avoiding of Awareness. Yet even at that, Awareness cannot really avoid Its very Presence. In Advaita, these tendencies are called vasanas, supposedly due to karma. In the light of history-less Awareness, the notion of karma, too, would be just a thought. That’s all well and good to see this intellectually, but it doesn’t necessarily leave one free. It seems one has to go “deeper” than mere intellectual muttering of truisms. So, what to “do”? Right here, now, “start” or abide as Awareness Itself. Just rest and be still. Is Awareness making any effort as It silently is being? Now, as this effortless Awareness, ask how much Awareness weighs to Awareness. Of course, don’t answer intellectually with, “It doesn’t weigh anything.” Rather, feel, be, this absence of weight. What is this to Itself? It’s the same as asking, How much does NOW, the Present, weigh? You never will tire of asking this question. The nondual thought-police might come back with an intellectual quip such as, “Who is doing this? There is no other to experience Awareness. To Awareness there is no experience…there is nothing that can be known.” Wouldn’t that in itself be a “knowing”—to know that nothing can be known? And who says it’s another that’s doing this? This lightness that Awareness IS certainly isn’t something that a Ven or Peter or any body can cause to be present. To continue with or AS this lightness…Is this lightness a desire? Is It desiring Its already present Presence? Is It seeking Itself, or trying to get away from a bad habit or some kind of baggage—or is It simply, freely being Itself? How “far” does this exquisite lightness extend—is there an end to it—does it go only so far? Really try to find an end. Can this delicious ease be shut off, or restrain Itself from Itself? Being without a border, is It containable? Is it possible for this lightness to EVER escape Its very Presence? Is there an end to how “deeply” this delicious lightness can “go” within Itself (even though there’s no distance to go!). How deep is “infinitely, endlessly deep”? This never feels like “work”—unless there’s a mistaken assumption of having to overcome something. On the other hand, when done for Its own sake, It is joyous and exciting—and one doesn’t want to stop. There simply is nothing else that is more “enjoyable” or “feels better” than THIS, because actually there is only This! The point is, this utterly free openness, this delicious, gently alive softness is the “natural state” of Life, Awareness. It just naturally, normally, inherently “feels good” to be Itself. There’s no feeling of restriction, pressure, or opposition (or attraction) Here because THIS is “without a second.” It would require a second for there to be restriction, opposition or attraction. As there is only this ONE, there honestly, truly is nothing else to be overcome. So to not “work this way” would be to try to oppose the way Life Itself, Awareness Itself is already present functioning and operating (being). And Awareness Itself really cannot even do that. In other words, if at one “time” a habit or tendency seemed to “feel better” “more delicious” or was pursued instead of being One’s Self–this richer Self-interest will out-delicious, outlast the seeming habit or tendency. One’s Self just inherently “feels” better, easier, simpler. So this Self-fascination (which Awareness has no choice but to be!) means that what seem to be habits, tendencies, desires will stop dinging, stop arising—because they have no history, no one to cling to, no place from which to come. This Self-Deliciousness inherently feels so much better and easier (if one is going to contrast), that the “other” eventually dissolves into its native state of never having begun—there being only Self Itself.”

Humour, the Sixth Sense?

A colleague and I were having a short americano at Starbucks after a gruelling game of badminton, and as usual our conversation took a turn towards Truth. Somehow the subject of humour came up and recollections of John Cleese and his humourous antics in “Faulty Towers”, “A Fish Called Wanda,” and of course the “Monte Python Flicks.” As well as Peter Sellers role in “Being There.” He commented that humour has a way of “getting in” and can seem to spawn a lot of ‘mini-awakenings’. So, my sense is, that besides the well-known 5 senses – sight, smell, taste, touch and hearing – a sense of humour is great light-hearted way to lift one’s spiritual senses. Anyway, again I surfed the ‘K site’ for quotes on humour, but in the “H’s” only came up with – Habit, Health, Heart, Honesty, Humanity and Humility – but nothing on humour!    My “take” is that K’s character was a pretty serious dude and the only joke I remember him telling was the one about the Devil and a man walking along the road… There is a “holy man” up ahead and the man notices him stoop down and pick something up off the road and asks the Devil… “What was that he just picked up?” The devil replies… “That was the Truth.” Upon which the man asks… “Isn’t that very bad news for you?” “Not at all!” Says the devil, smiling. “I’m going to help him organize it.” PS – If anybody “out there” has any more funny stories about ‘K’ I would love to hear them.  

Beliefs can be tricky.

I was surfing the website of K’s quotes and landed on 14 that had to do with belief. Here is one of them… The screen of belief… “You believe in God, and another does not believe in God, so your beliefs separate you from each other. Belief throughout the world is organized as Hinduism, Buddhism, or Christianity, and so it divides man from man. We are confused, and we think that through belief we shall clear the confusion; that is, belief is superimposed on the confusion, and we hope that confusion will thereby be cleared away. But belief is merely an escape from the fact of confusion; it does not help us to face and to understand the fact but to run away from the confusion in which we are. To understand the confusion, belief is not necessary, and belief only acts as a screen between ourselves and our problems. So, religion, which is organized belief, becomes a means of escape from what is, from the fact of confusion. The man who believes in God, the man who believes in the hereafter, or who has any other form of belief, is escaping from the fact of what he is.”   I “believe” K would have gotten on famously with George Carlin. George had a very low opinion of all religion and frequently used some of its absurdities in his stand-up routines. Here is an excerpt from “Brain Droppings” to show what I mean… “Sun God” “I’ve begun worshipping the sun for a number of reasons. First of all, unlike some other gods I could mention, I can see the sun. It’s there for me everyday. And the things it brings me are quite apparent all the time: heat, light, food, a lovely day. There’s no mystery, no one asks for money, I don’t have to dress up, and there’s no boring pageantry. And interestingly enough, I have found that the prayers I offer to the sun and the prayers I formerly offered to “God” are all answered at about the same 50 percent rate.” Beliefs can be tricky. Like, in the “story lines,” the time when four successful businessmen traveled together to Germany to attend the world construction equipment expo. One of the group had a pet saying while in the pub… “You have to believe in something. I believe I’ll have another drink.” Anyway, just for fun, we had baseball caps made up with this saying embroidered on the front, in German. But apparently the cap company miss-translated it and the German folks took it to be a religious saying and thought we must be in some kind of cult. Beliefs can be tricky!

Living the Inquiries Weekend Retreat

  Living the Inquiries Retreat November 21 – 23, 2014     This weekend retreat was facilitated by Scott Kiloby, author of a number of books on self inquiry and addiction as well as the founder of the Kiloby Centre for treatment of addiction and compulsions, located in Palm Springs, Florida.  Scott has developed a very specific method of self inquiry which has proven highly effective in working with all kinds of issues or problems in people’s lives and also in looking into our misconceptions about our self identity.   He credits Krishnamurti with being a very important inspiration in his work and greatly admires his spirit of questioning and inquiring into everything without settling for conceptual conclusions about life or oneself. In the Friday evening talk Scott explained the general principles and structures of his approach.  The basic practice he recommends is to rest as awareness, doing nothing, allowing things to be as they are, and looking at how issues and problems arise or are created by thought.   If this simple awareness does not take care of whatever presents itself, then some further inquiry can be done. Problems, Scott says, are created by the “velcro” effect whereby words, pictures, and sensations are glued together to form something solid, substantial, and “sticky”. This stickiness can be looked into and dissolved by a focused looking and questioning.  There are three kinds of inquiries used to explore issues:  the unfindability inquiry, the anxiety inquiry, and the compulsion inquiry.  The first looks to see if there is a self or an identity attached to words, pictures, or sensations and facilitates a resting with these arisings without any judgement or interpretation, at which point they simply dissolve.  The second inquiry asks what is the threat being experienced within anxiety or fear and looks for the actuality of that apparent threat.  Again the threat and the self experiencing it may be found to be entirely insubstantial and may just melt away.  The compulsion inquiry looks at the drive or urge to seek relief from substances or “addictions” of any kind and again deconstructs the assumptions and beliefs around the sense of being compelled to act in a certain way.  An inquiry may have to be done many times over before there is a significant release or relaxing of the problem. On Saturday there was further explanation of the inquiries and some work with individuals which demonstrated the processes in action.  Scott also led guided group meditations on being present with things as they are as well as working with the inquiries.  There was more exploration along the same lines on Sunday and some time for participants to practice inquiring by themselves, with Scott available for any questions that might arise.  A Krishnamurti video was shown on Sunday morning which seemed to be very interesting for many of the participants, and some Krishnamurti books were sold afterwards.  The retreat was found to be “powerful” by those attending and the hope was expressed by many that Scott would return next year.