Exploring Ourselves
Online Zoom Meeting
Sunday, July 3, 2022
Jackie McInley, who usually guides the “Exploring Ourselves” meetings, informed us a little earlier in the day that she was not feeling well and would not be able to facilitate this Sunday morning meeting. Then, in the process of inviting and enabling David to stand in as Jackie’s replacement, some technical difficulties arose which made it impossible for him to join the Zoom meeting with a functional video and audio speaker. Ralph then took the role of opening the meeting and asking the participants to create their own experience of inquiring into whatever was most interesting and relevant to them. It was a “dialogue without an authority”, as one participant called it. The thirteen participants seemed to be well enough versed in the mechanics of dialogue that they could together bring forward questions and pursue investigations into them that flowed along for a total of two hours. Some of the questions which were presented to the group were as follows:
– How do I know what is false and what is true?
– Are opinions useful? Are my opinions true or just beliefs? And how do I know if I am caught in a limiting belief?
– What is the place of our background in any communication? Is the background made of accurate images or illusions, and is it a source of conflict?
– What is self-awareness? Is it the realization that I am not in the present moment with my attention?
– What is the “actual” and what is resistance to it?
– Is there a possibility of going beyond self-interest? The desire to go beyond may be part of the trap of self-interest.
Some other issues that were discussed were the following:
– Being trapped in the perceptions of another person
– The chatter of the thinking mind
– Sensitivity and over-thinking
– The difference between thought, awareness, and insight.
– The nature of thought, of “being aware of being aware”, and of a total insight
– “New thought” and “old thought”
– The nature of the “I” or “me”
– How much “unwellness” we are willing to tolerate
– How often are we repeating our behaviour and are we really present with our experience?
– How is awareness communicated?
– How much does individual agency exist and can it bring about change?
It was acknowledged that many of these subtle questions are difficult to resolve and may often elicit rather vague responses. It was mentioned that, in contrast, Krishnamurti seemed to be very clear and direct in most of his answers to the questions posed to him during talks and dialogues.
It was clear that there was a good deal of curiosity in the group and a strong interest in self-inquiry, in whatever way it was understood.
Exploring Ourselves, September 4, 2022
/in Event Summaries /by David BruneauExploring Ourselves
With Jackie McInley
Sunday, September 4, 2022
Zoom Online
Sixteen people in total were in attendance at this Sunday morning meeting led by Jackie McInley from the UK. The session began as usual with a brief period of silence which created a space for authentic questions to be brought forward as they arose for participants. The group seemed most interested in the topic of fear, which we had explored in the previous meeting two weeks prior. Some very interesting and pertinent questions were put before the circle for our investigation, including a wondering if there is enough space created within the group in order to fully consider the questions deemed of significance. In that spirit, the meeting went on for a full two and a quarter hours, which was longer than most meetings of this kind.
Quite a number of subtleties involving the experiencing of fear were presented for inquiry.
– What is it that is creating the fear?
– Do we fear the known? The Unknown?
– Are desire and fear two sides of the same coin?
– What are we trying to protect in ourselves or in others?
– How is the mind creating division and separation in life, and is that a deep cause of fear?
– Krishnamurti’s emphasis on the issue of “the observer and the observed” was hovering in the background but did not emerge fully into the light of day. I, this participant, felt that it was an important subject to be explored but did not make a point of sharing it with the group given that numerous other subjects were being looked into.
Jackie commented that dialogue is a forum for learning how to communicate with each other. Can we be fully attentive, she asked, to all that is going on in us and in our relating with each other? Others mentioned they felt this kind of learning was taking place but was not an easy thing to accomplish!
The length of the meeting seemed to demonstrate the level of interest held in its subject matter by most of the participants. If Ralph had not brought it to an end it may have gone on indefinitely.
DB
Death, Love and Time
/in Event Summaries /by David BruneauDeath, Love, and Time August 26 – 28, 2022 With Hillary Rodrigues Zoom Online We were very pleased to have Hillary Rodrigues join us for another of his numerous presentations sponsored annually by the Krishnamurti Educational Centre of Canada. As a professor of religious studies, he brings an interesting and valuable blend of academic […]
Exploring Ourselves
With Jackie McInley
Sunday, August 21, 2022
Zoom Online
A total of sixteen participants, staff included, signed on for today’s meeting with Jackie on Zoom. As usual, the session began with a period of silence, but before that Jackie gave an introduction to the place of silence in our exploration and acknowledged the value of giving a space for meaningful questions to arise in the group. Jumping in quickly with inquiries or answers to them is usually counter-productive and limiting to the spirit of careful listening and looking together. Can we ask questions without looking for an answer? The thinking mind so easily comes up with its conclusions. What if we look without knowing the answers: is that kind of looking more fresh and alive?
The questions that arose out of the silence expressed curiosity about how we can change deeply conditioned patterns of thought and behaviour and an interest in discussing the place of responsibility, obligation, and freedom in the realm of self-transformation. The subject of habit vs. intense attentiveness was looked at. It was asked if habit is “dangerous” and what does that mean to us? Do we judge the habits of others and ourselves and is such judgement helpful?
The nature of self-observation and “meditation” was explored, including a fact often shared by Krishnamurti: to be aware that we are not in a state of meditation is meditation.
Other central issues brought forward were the human desire for safety with its hidden fears. Can we be with the Unknown, with the actual experience of fear? And can we be with the breaking down of the self as it is happening? Can we stay with it? It was pointed out that dialogue can help in this challenge when we approach it intelligently.
To Be Human, Session 2: The World of Images
/in Event Summaries /by David BruneauTo Be Human, Session 2: The World of Images
With Javier Gomez Rodriguez
August 14, 2022
Zoom Online
Javier joined us from the Netherlands to continue with our second exploration of Krishnamurti’s short summary of his teachings in the booklet The Core of the Teachings. The summary was requested of K by his biographer Mary Lutyens. There were fifteen participants in total in attendance at the meeting.
Javier began with a clear introduction of the section on “images”, which includes ideas, concepts, and beliefs. Krishnamurti regularly made mention in his talks and writings about the use made of images by the human consciousness in its attempts to find security. Attachment to images as well as the denial of images are equally violent, leading to nationalism and conflict on both social and personal levels. “Is the psyche bound by our self-images?’ Javier asked. Images become symbols with which we identify and which create limitations in our seeing or perceiving. Our desire for security prevents questioning of our concepts, beliefs, and conclusions.
The issue of relationships and images was discussed in some detail. Am I related to you or to my image of you? And I also have an image of myself. These images end up destroying the security we are seeking. They create division, which in turn creates conflict. Images of what we should be prevent us from facing the fact of what we are, to which Krishnamurti gives great significance with its power to transform us. We must learn to look at ourselves without the image.
The last half of the meeting was given to group discussion or dialogue. Group members asked a number of pointed questions such as “What is real security and where is it to be found?” Is security found in going beyond images and communing in our humanity? Is there a certain security in doing as we are expected to do or is conformity of no value? The questions posed by the group members came finally to a final inquiry: Is it possible to be free of images?
DB
Exploring Ourselves, August 7, 2022
/in Event Summaries /by David BruneauExploring Ourselves
With Jackie McInley
August 7, 2022
Zoom Online
This Sunday morning meeting, facilitated online by Jackie, was attended by fifteen people in all. We picked up the thread of the previous meeting from two weeks before and entered a discussion of how to best conduct the dialogues. It can be challenging to generate an effective way of inquiring and asking questions. And there is also the issue of responding to the questions in a way that supports the inquiry and best invites insight and a deepening of the sharing and sense of “looking together” that Krishnamurti strongly recommends. The dialogue moved into an investigation of various ideas about promoting an experience of “shared meaning” spoken of by David Bohm in relation to the process. The idea of finding connection within a group was brought in and along with it the question as to what exactly it means to be “connected” in such an endeavour. With what are we connected and how can it be described? The inquiry seemed to get quite complicated. It seemed that some participants, as often happens in such discussions, felt the need to keep bringing forward the difficulties involved with the activity of thought whereas others were more interested in simply engaging awareness as the natural catalyst for freedom from the problems generated by thought. Some participants felt that there was an expanded listening developing during the dialogue, whereas others may not have seen the process so positively. There often seems to be quite a mixture of experiences amongst the group. One possibly useful question was asked at the end of the session: “What is aware of the image-making process that is so central to the movement of thought?”
The exploration of ourselves will continue on August 21.
DB
The Art of Living: A Journey of Transformation
/in Event Summaries /by David BruneauThe Art of Living: A Journey of Transformation
With Mukesh Gupta and Ann Engels
July 29 – 31, 2022
Zoom Online
For this workshop, Mukesh joined us on Zoom from Varanasi, India, and Ann from Belgium. It was the first time the two had collaborated for an event sponsored by the Krishnamurti Educational Centre of Canada. There were between fifteen and seventeen participants (all included) at each of the three two-hour meetings over the three days. The format was quite familiar, with guided meditations to open each session, talks by each of the group leaders, small breakout groups for more intimate exploration, and time for group discussion or dialogue, including questions from participants and responses from the facilitators and group members.
The first meeting on the Friday evening was opened by Mukesh with some questions which he integrated into the meditation. He asked us all if we could say we are fully here, fully present without resistance. The playing of music and nature sounds were an aid to help us. Further challenging questions invited us to look carefully at our state of awareness. Why are we not completely peaceful? Why do we live in the past, in the activity of thought? Where is the heart in our living and can we learn to live with love and compassion? Can we learn this art together?
Mukesh pointed out that if we seriously want to learn the mind will be quiet and attentive, listening deeply and observing all the activities of thought as well as our emotional reactions to the life we live. This watchfulness dissolves the reactiveness of the mind and without effort produces a space of awareness, freedom, and love. This is learning through “the mirror of relationship”, as Krishnamurti so often says. This learning was emphasised in different ways throughout the weekend and discussed in the small and full group formats. There was also a variety of questions exploring a breadth of issues centred around “choiceless awareness” and related inquiries. There were regular reminders to stay in an attitude of slow and careful investigation, appreciating our connectedness and caring for each other. By being patient, our questioning, looking, and listening may be making a more powerful impact on us than we consciously realise and love may appear of its own accord.
The importance of self-knowledge was communicated often and a variety of subtle points and questions were investigated. It is not an intellectual process. Can we see the whole picture of ourselves in one glance and be free of our egoic patterns? Is choiceless awareness something that can be “known” or is it an aspect of the “Unknown”? This seemed like a very good question to take with us into our everyday lives and to renew as a moment to moment non-continuous “meditation” which has the power to teach us the art of living and the reality of transformation in our lives.
DB
To Be Human with Javier Rodriguez, July 10, 2022
/in Event Summaries /by David BruneauTo Be Human, session 1, with Javier Rodriguez
Sunday, July 10, 2022
Zoom online
Towards the end of his life, J. Krishnamurti produced a summary of his teachings which was published in booklet form entitled The Core of the Teachings. Javier will explore the booklet in six instalments over the next six months; this first presentation was labelled “Truth is a Pathless Land”. There were 17 participants in total in attendance.
Javier began by questioning the meaning of the word “truth” and the value we give it. Truth and falseness are necessary distinctions in many ways in our ordinary lives and also in the philosophical domain. How is the truth of any idea established, and is it anything more than a belief? Javier pointed out that Krishnamurti was not asserting any absolute truth. There may be truth, but it cannot be conceptualised or found in the religious domain. In K’s world truth is a rather strange creature not found through analysis or knowledge. The focus on the known must be relinquished for the truth of the unknown to be realized. It is not a fixed point and it can only be “found” in the “mirror of relationship”. Through this mirror one must understand or see clearly the contents of one’s own mind as they are revealed in relationship with others and with oneself. The mind is the seat of illusion, and illusion must be understood for truth to come into our awareness. The tendency to escape from the facts of what we are must be put aside, at which point love will begin to flow through us as the truth of what we are.
After a presentation of about forty-five minutes Javier opened the meeting to questions from the participants. A process of exchanging ideas took place within the group for the remainder of the meeting, another forty-five minutes, and involved inquiry into a number of issues such as our tendency to deceive ourselves when we bring in our past experiences when considering the truth of any concept or idea. We must be aware of how we “lie” to ourselves. Group members were invited to share their questions and insights or comments, which stimulated discussion of topics such as awareness, love, stopping of thoughts, belief systems, right relationship, and the mystery of life and relationship. It was a lively sharing of inquiry and insights and will no doubt be interesting as the series of presentations unfolds over the next six months. The session was guided with skill and intelligence by Javier and promises to be continued in that manner.
Exploring Ourselves, July 3, 2022
/in Event Summaries /by David BruneauExploring Ourselves
Online Zoom Meeting
Sunday, July 3, 2022
Jackie McInley, who usually guides the “Exploring Ourselves” meetings, informed us a little earlier in the day that she was not feeling well and would not be able to facilitate this Sunday morning meeting. Then, in the process of inviting and enabling David to stand in as Jackie’s replacement, some technical difficulties arose which made it impossible for him to join the Zoom meeting with a functional video and audio speaker. Ralph then took the role of opening the meeting and asking the participants to create their own experience of inquiring into whatever was most interesting and relevant to them. It was a “dialogue without an authority”, as one participant called it. The thirteen participants seemed to be well enough versed in the mechanics of dialogue that they could together bring forward questions and pursue investigations into them that flowed along for a total of two hours. Some of the questions which were presented to the group were as follows:
– How do I know what is false and what is true?
– Are opinions useful? Are my opinions true or just beliefs? And how do I know if I am caught in a limiting belief?
– What is the place of our background in any communication? Is the background made of accurate images or illusions, and is it a source of conflict?
– What is self-awareness? Is it the realization that I am not in the present moment with my attention?
– What is the “actual” and what is resistance to it?
– Is there a possibility of going beyond self-interest? The desire to go beyond may be part of the trap of self-interest.
Some other issues that were discussed were the following:
– Being trapped in the perceptions of another person
– The chatter of the thinking mind
– Sensitivity and over-thinking
– The difference between thought, awareness, and insight.
– The nature of thought, of “being aware of being aware”, and of a total insight
– “New thought” and “old thought”
– The nature of the “I” or “me”
– How much “unwellness” we are willing to tolerate
– How often are we repeating our behaviour and are we really present with our experience?
– How is awareness communicated?
– How much does individual agency exist and can it bring about change?
It was acknowledged that many of these subtle questions are difficult to resolve and may often elicit rather vague responses. It was mentioned that, in contrast, Krishnamurti seemed to be very clear and direct in most of his answers to the questions posed to him during talks and dialogues.
It was clear that there was a good deal of curiosity in the group and a strong interest in self-inquiry, in whatever way it was understood.
Self-inquiry: the Merging of Heart and Mind, June 24 – 26, 2022
/in Event Summaries /by David BruneauSelf-inquiry: The Merging of Heart and Mind
June 24 – 26, 2022 with GP Walsh
Zoom online
We were pleased to have GP with us again, online from Seattle, with a group of participants numbering between 23 and 25 on each of the three days of the workshop focused on self-inquiry or the study of who and what we really are. GP skillfully guided us at the start of each of the three 1 ½ hour sessions with a guided meditation featuring an experiential journey into the nature of our consciousness and our identity. He referred to a few teachings from ancient sources such as the Ribhu Gita and modern sources such as Ramana Maharshi, Mooji, and J. Krishnamurti. His main pointer was that we are the pure awareness that is hearing the words being spoken at this very moment. This awareness cannot be separated into subject and object or into other categories such as Being, Consciousness, and Feeling, or Heart and Mind. The Heart is the felt sense of Being and is that which we are experiencing at every moment. The nature of consciousness is very subtle and invites a great deal of inquiry into its nature in order to realise the simplicity of the truth that “I am That”. Over the weekend the group participants explored various aspects of our nature, our thinking, and our non-dual identity which turns into an experience of suffering as soon as we identify with the body or the mind. When “otherness” disappears the infinite appears.
Together GP and the group members explored a variety of questions such as “Who is perceiving?”, “What is the thought “I” referring to?”, “What is aware of being aware?”, “How can I let go of attachment?”, and so on. Such profound questions may have no answer in terms of ordinary thought processes and yet may produce a direct experience of ourselves, which may be what we are looking for. According to Ramana, the greatest barrier to Enlightenment is the belief that we are not enlightened already. We investigated the wisdom of such pointers which often appear complex and incomprehensible and yet can be understood in terms of thought’s habit of making everything into a problem. GP made twists and turns that challenged our understanding but somehow made the fact more accessible that “what we are looking for is what we are looking from.” It was a very interesting three meetings and GP’s presentation was much enjoyed.
DB
Exploring Ourselves with Jackie McInley, June 19, 2022
/in Event Summaries /by David BruneauExploring Ourselves with Jackie McInley
Sunday, June 19, 2022
Zoom online
Fourteen of us were on hand for this Sunday morning session with Jackie McInley, who joined us online from France. The meetings lately have perhaps been increasingly spontaneous and with minimal structure and guidance, providing a space for unanticipated exploration of whatever is arising for participants as the conversation unfolds. Jackie is still active in bringing questions to the open space of potentiality that can be dialogue, but she also encourages group members to share whatever is alive for them. Very soon in the discussion some questions were posed about the relationship between thought, feeling, and emotion and to what extent we are listening to feelings. We looked a little at intellect and feeling, the question of naming a feeling or not, and the kind of inner narrative that goes on as we converse. The place of fear and desire for security was introduced and the importance of being closely with whatever is going on in us was mentioned as being significant in our self-inquiry.
The dialogue flowed onward with the wondering “What is responding to any question and can we allow the question to go beyond what is stimulated by it?” One participant contributed that there are many layers and levels of interaction and reaction that are taking place in the sharing of dialogue. The subject of tension arose and seemed to be of interest to many of the group. What is it like to experience tension with its different layers? Is tension being felt or is it being “organised”? Is there a kind of “Gatekeeper” in us who wants tension to appear in a certain way? Is there a conflict between control and breaking free? Some subtleties of “being with” tension or other feelings were brought forward, including the issue of fragmentation between different parts of us. Can the mind’s tendency to create division be seen as it occurs, without having to find a solution to it?
It was a meeting peppered with a variety of interesting questions and responses; the attendees were quite fully engaged, as usual.
DB