What is Real Inquiry?
March 20 – 24, 2024
With Jackie McKinley
Zoom Online
Jackie joined us online from the UK for two hours each of five days with the intention of going deeply into the question of what inquiry really is. Five days was considered to offer enough time to penetrate the issue in a way that might open up some significant “understanding” or insight into what J. Krishnamurti meant in his talks and writings by inquiry and/or self-observation. Fourteen people were present, including staff working with the Krishnamurti Educational Centre of Canada.
After the usual silent period Jackie shared a wondering about why people keep coming back to participate in the group dialogue process as “practised” within the context of Krishnamurti’s teachings and his approach to self-knowledge and self-transformation. And is the first step, the way we begin, important? What goes on behind the activity of thought or “the mind”? Is there actually much inquiry, looking, or observation actually going on? Are we actually aware of what is happening in our unconscious minds, our conditioned consciousness, as individuals and as expressions of the human race? How much do we miss when we look within ourselves? Are we aware or are we just thinking?
Jackie narrowed down the question to “What do I really want?” and encouraged group members to share their responses freely. Some of the answers were as follows:
– I want to understand what conditioning is
– I want to live in awareness as a felt sense
– I want to practise inquiry
– I would like to move beyond expectations and to see myself directly
– I want wholeness
– I would like to be involved in self-inquiry in a fuller way
– I want to share with others and explore our connectivity as humans
– I want clarification
– I want to have more fun in my life
– I want to be more alive
– I’d like to understand the source of my difficulties and I need help with this process
– I want honest communication
– I want intimacy, a pleasurable sharing with others physically, emotionally, and intellectually.
– I want distance from others at times
One participant expressed that as we engaged in the sharing he felt there was a kind of “peeling away” which felt like intimacy. Another asked if we were pushing down our desiring or wanting, and what happens when we do that? Are there desires I dare not look at? Do I fear being judged for my desires? Do I have space for looking at my wants, my fears, and my secrets? Would I just like to relax? Can I step out of myself? Does our sharing open us up or the opposite?
The feelings of “emptiness” and fear were mentioned and the issue of “managing” such feelings was discussed. We went into numerous such questions over the course of the five days, seeking greater revealing of our hidden tendencies, beliefs, and ideas. At times the inquiry process seemed very challenging to stay with and it was difficult to keep finding the meaning in what was being shared, though we kept pushing more deeply into the layers of our thinking and feeling. Core aspects of our identities were brought forward and the way we hold on to “content” in our way of behaving and relating or “let go” of it was examined. We asked if we have hidden motivations and, if so, how do we discover them? Are we really creating a “safe space” for each other?
The subject of contradiction in ourselves was raised. Krishnamurti maintained that thought is contradictory in its very nature. We often avoid the contradictions that influence our lives. Are we “doing” this by choice or is it mostly unconscious behaviour? How clearly do we see the movements of the “I” in all our thoughts and actions and is this an important aspect of “meditation” as K speaks of it? Do we resist inquiry at a deep level? Are we using thought to explore thought and is that not limited? What did K mean when he spoke or wrote of “negation”?
Over the five days of dialogue we seemed to cover a great deal of ground. Towards the end our attention moved towards the meaning of “love” and the reality of “sorrow” and “separateness”. Finally we came to the question of “emptying” the consciousness, which seemed to bring a sense of completion without a sense of conclusion.
Thank you, Jackie, for your wise and skillful guidance into the realm of inquiry
Self-inquiry with Jeff Brown
/in Event Summaries /by David BruneauSelf-inquiry with Jeff Brown
April 17, 2024
Esquimalt Gorge Pavilion
Victoria, BC
Six people were present for this Wednesday afternoon meeting at the
lovely Gorge Pavilion on Tillicum Road, all regular participants in
dialogues sponsored by the Krishnamurti Educational Centre of Canada.
Jeff Brown was facilitating the meeting and he began with a period of
silence, which is a very common way to start a meeting in the
Krishnamurti world. We then looked into a number of issues which are
also often probed at our meetings as a means of understanding the
workings of our own minds and hearts as recommended by J.
Krishnamurti and forming the essence of his teachings on
self-knowledge.
The discussion or exploration followed a number of directions over the
hour and a half of the gathering. Athe topics could be labelled, if we were
to give them names, as some of the following:
– the sense of isolation involving attachment to ideas and to an
identity as a separate individual
– the formation of a sense of “self” or “ego”. (This is a regular topic of
exploration in our inquiry sessions).
– facing the unknown and being present with unusual and challenging
sensations and experiences
– sorrow, guilt, and isolation
– death, attachment, and the possibility of “letting go”
– the attachment to activity and having things happen
– ignorance vs. stupidity
– the importance of “awareness” and insight into the nature of our
thinking
– the creation of meaning and the importance of agreement in giving
meaning to life.
– the cruelty of nature vs. that of human beings
– the place of compassion
– the value of dialogue
– knowledge vs. insight
– free will and determinism
The group members seemed to very much enjoy inquiring into the
subjects that were of interest to participants and expressed their
appreciation of the dialogue.
DB
Self-inquiry with Jeff Brown, April 14, 2024
/in Event Summaries /by David BruneauSelf-inquiry with Jeff Brown
April 14, 2024
At Krishnamurti Educational Centre of Canada
Metchosin, BC
Ten people were present in total for this Sunday afternoon meeting at the Metchosin location of the Krishnamurti Educational Centre of Canada. It was a sunny afternoon providing an opportunity to sit outside on the front lawn for the first time this year. The weather turned more cold and windy as the afternoon progressed, but most of the participants seemed to be fairly comfortable and able to enjoy the outdoors with the mountains, the ocean, and the trees all providing a lovely natural setting for the discussion of our true identity as human beings and perhaps beyond.
Jeff, our facilitator for the session, introduced a number of ideas about the functioning of the brain which were based on the experience of Jill Bolte Taylor when she had a spontaneous awakening resulting from, as she described it, a stroke in the left side of her brain which revealed to her capacities which had been previously completely unknown. Jeff had spoken previously of the extraordinary shift in Jill’s consciousness produced by this sudden change in the functioning of her brain which she had described as an opening of capacities which Jeff took to be similar in many ways to the mystical aspects of J. Krishnamurti’s experiences which formed much of the essence of his understandings and the teachings which emerged from them.
For both Krishnamurti and Taylor it was clear that thought cannot possibly describe the wholeness of the reality perceived by the right side of the brain, which shows the world in a non-linear and translogical mode that the left side cannot grasp but which can offer a deeper meaning and comprehension of what is possible for a human being to see and feel. Krishnamurti often spoke of the benediction that was available when thought became silent and that which is beyond thought could then reveal itself. We explored at some length the possibilities of entering into the unknown. Can we experience the unknown through our own efforts? Can the separate self that conditions our usual mode of experiencing life ever be vulnerable and sensitive to the truth beyond its own habitual ways of knowing reality? Do we need to cling to our familiar identity, our ideas of who and what we are? Can we move past the stuckness of our assumptions about ourselves and what is possible for us as human beings? Can we experience ourselves beyond our common and known identities? Just bringing up the questions seemed to create more space and openness in the group.
DB
Self-inquiry with Jeff Brown, April 7, 2024
/in Event Summaries /by David BruneauSelf-inquiry with Jeff Brown
Sunday, April 7, 2024
At Krishnamurti Educational Centre of Canada
Metchosin, BC
Jeff has offered to facilitate self-inquiry meetings at the Krishnamurti Centre in Metchosin or elsewhere when we are in need of someone skilled and capable of leading dialogues (when regular presenters are temporarily not available). He appears to have a deep understanding of the dialogue and self-inquiry process and we are grateful for his willingness to take on the role when needed. On this occasion there were only a total of four participants present for the 1 ½ hour meeting which, nevertheless, turned out to be interesting and valuable in probing the perspectives shared by J. Krishnamurti during his lifetime.
Jeff opened the session with some explanation of the ways in which Krishnamurti and Physicist David Bohm explored the nature of reality together during their explorations of “shared meaning” and the workings of the human consciousness. One of the important inquiries they shared was a sometimes intensive examination of the nature of conflict and division and the possibility of transcending the sense of separateness between so-called individuals. Such inquiry included insight into the power of language and thought to create division and conflict.
Jeff spoke of a tribe in the Amazon – the Praha tribe – which apparently had a very different way of seeing the world and of expressing what they saw. This led into a discussion of the place of knowledge, language, and memory and a questioning of our very basic identity. “Are we anything but memory?” Jeff asked, challenging the group to look deeply into the ways we form our understandings and perceptions of ourselves and our world. “What is the self?” became the core question bringing us towards the difficulty of contemplating the Unknown and of following Krishnamurti’s lead into such indefinable territory. It provoked some very interesting looking and sharing within the small group.
DB
What is Real Inquiry?
/in Event Summaries /by David BruneauWhat is Real Inquiry?
March 20 – 24, 2024
With Jackie McKinley
Zoom Online
Jackie joined us online from the UK for two hours each of five days with the intention of going deeply into the question of what inquiry really is. Five days was considered to offer enough time to penetrate the issue in a way that might open up some significant “understanding” or insight into what J. Krishnamurti meant in his talks and writings by inquiry and/or self-observation. Fourteen people were present, including staff working with the Krishnamurti Educational Centre of Canada.
After the usual silent period Jackie shared a wondering about why people keep coming back to participate in the group dialogue process as “practised” within the context of Krishnamurti’s teachings and his approach to self-knowledge and self-transformation. And is the first step, the way we begin, important? What goes on behind the activity of thought or “the mind”? Is there actually much inquiry, looking, or observation actually going on? Are we actually aware of what is happening in our unconscious minds, our conditioned consciousness, as individuals and as expressions of the human race? How much do we miss when we look within ourselves? Are we aware or are we just thinking?
Jackie narrowed down the question to “What do I really want?” and encouraged group members to share their responses freely. Some of the answers were as follows:
– I want to understand what conditioning is
– I want to live in awareness as a felt sense
– I want to practise inquiry
– I would like to move beyond expectations and to see myself directly
– I want wholeness
– I would like to be involved in self-inquiry in a fuller way
– I want to share with others and explore our connectivity as humans
– I want clarification
– I want to have more fun in my life
– I want to be more alive
– I’d like to understand the source of my difficulties and I need help with this process
– I want honest communication
– I want intimacy, a pleasurable sharing with others physically, emotionally, and intellectually.
– I want distance from others at times
One participant expressed that as we engaged in the sharing he felt there was a kind of “peeling away” which felt like intimacy. Another asked if we were pushing down our desiring or wanting, and what happens when we do that? Are there desires I dare not look at? Do I fear being judged for my desires? Do I have space for looking at my wants, my fears, and my secrets? Would I just like to relax? Can I step out of myself? Does our sharing open us up or the opposite?
The feelings of “emptiness” and fear were mentioned and the issue of “managing” such feelings was discussed. We went into numerous such questions over the course of the five days, seeking greater revealing of our hidden tendencies, beliefs, and ideas. At times the inquiry process seemed very challenging to stay with and it was difficult to keep finding the meaning in what was being shared, though we kept pushing more deeply into the layers of our thinking and feeling. Core aspects of our identities were brought forward and the way we hold on to “content” in our way of behaving and relating or “let go” of it was examined. We asked if we have hidden motivations and, if so, how do we discover them? Are we really creating a “safe space” for each other?
The subject of contradiction in ourselves was raised. Krishnamurti maintained that thought is contradictory in its very nature. We often avoid the contradictions that influence our lives. Are we “doing” this by choice or is it mostly unconscious behaviour? How clearly do we see the movements of the “I” in all our thoughts and actions and is this an important aspect of “meditation” as K speaks of it? Do we resist inquiry at a deep level? Are we using thought to explore thought and is that not limited? What did K mean when he spoke or wrote of “negation”?
Over the five days of dialogue we seemed to cover a great deal of ground. Towards the end our attention moved towards the meaning of “love” and the reality of “sorrow” and “separateness”. Finally we came to the question of “emptying” the consciousness, which seemed to bring a sense of completion without a sense of conclusion.
Thank you, Jackie, for your wise and skillful guidance into the realm of inquiry
AWARE LIVING CAFE, MARCH 16/24
/in Event Summaries /by James WaiteThis final in the six-part series had 8 attendees; the Book Of Life themes were Relationship and Fear. We started with a deep discussion on how relationships – if they’re genuine – bring with them a certain necessary friction wherein one may meet their own conditioned expectations and needs for comfort and security only in relationships that challenge one to see and listen and transform with self-awareness. Indeed, if there’s no tension, there is no relationship; it becomes a comfortable non-relationship, a convenience and an escape from reality.
We talked too of Fear; of there being two kinds: one instinctive and related to survival re food, clothing and shelter, and another imagined fear being psychological – mind-made, produced and believed by the apparent ‘me’. We explored how the craving to become in relationships – rather than to simply be, here and now – causes personal fears that one’s projected (conditioned) desires will not be met and achieved. Freedom from fear comes with one’s direct recognition and understanding of the source and past cause of it. In sum, the past mind-made nature of fear can only be comprehended and dissolved in the present, in passive awareness. In aware living, there is no past, no tomorrow – no fear.
Kind regards
James Waite
AWARE LIVING CAFE March 2/24
/in Event Summaries /by James WaiteSelf-inquiry, March 3, 2024
/in Event Summaries /by David BruneauExploring Ourselves
March 3, 2024
With Jackie McInley
Zoom Online
Jackie joined us online from London, England, for this Sunday morning (Pacific Time) meeting. Initially there were 11 participants present but one soon left due to poor internet reception at her location. Those remaining then attempted to connect with what we’d been dialoguing about during the previous meeting to see if we wanted to go back and continue to explore the subject in greater depth. What was most remembered was an interest in the significance of listening and being listened to, which could turn into a profound sense of “being heard” and “understood”. We collectively wondered what it is that we feel we need, including what sorrow needs in the way of support. Is it to be acknowledged? To be loved? Are we hurt in some way and wanting to be affirmed? Can we look carefully into the subject? Are we seeking to support the egoic self in us? When we hear ourselves speaking with our parents’ voices, can we stop and look at what we are trying to say deeply but not get caught in our identities? Is it possible, we asked, to look at exactly what goes on when we listen to others and to ourselves at the same time.
Is it “connection” we are seeking in our relationships? What do we mean by connection? Does it imply that we must negate the self we have “created” and break through the programming and conditioning that keeps us stuck in our personalities and cut off from love? And what is love? Is it a programmed response? Is it romantic? Spiritual? Does it involve beliefs, or is it beyond beliefs? Are we afraid of each other and limited by that fear? The dialogue went on for a good couple of hours then seemed to come to a natural ending with some closing comments by Jackie stressing the importance of “seeing”. If there is no seeing, she offered, then the conditioned responses continue. When there is seeing then the patterns may come to an end and something “new” may be revealed in our relating.
DB
WHAT IS INTELLIGENCE?
/in Sharings /by James WaiteAWARE LIVING CAFE, FEB 17/24
/in Event Summaries /by James WaiteExploring Ourselves, February 18, 2024
/in Event Summaries /by David BruneauExploring Ourselves
With Jackie McInley
February 18, 2024
Zoom online
Jackie joined us online from the UK for this dialogue meeting attended by eleven people in total. The session began with some discussion of the previous meeting which had featured a newcomer to the group and had included some conflict as a result of differing ideas concerning how to go about engaging in a dialogue. It was suggested by a couple of participants in today’s group that we’d have more effective communication if we examined people’s actions while observing them as examples of universal human tendencies rather than idiosyncratic habits of separate individuals which can be judged as “right” or “wrong”, intelligent or otherwise, and so on. Also, it would be more useful to look at our own reactions rather than pointing out other persons’ reactions. This took us into a sharing of past experiences featuring fight, flight, and freeze responses and then into a discussion of our motivations in exploring the nature of our communications. We questioned if there is a possibility of healing when we explore difficult issues in our dialogues. The exploration moved into looking at our pain, with some arising of sadness and tears within the group. We questioned whether unfinished childhood experiences might carry old pain into the present moment and if there is still conflict in us at a deep level. Are we attempting to escape from old and deep levels of pain in ourselves? And how can we best deal with such energies? Can we stay with the pain, listening to it as if it were a child? It was suggested that, as human beings, we may often be open to the idea that there is something wrong with us. We may not have been properly loved as a child and may still be suffering the results of such treatment as a sense of sorrow as adults. Can the incomplete process of childhood be completed as adults? It was very interesting to probe into these issues and to investigate our conditioning in the complex world of emotional and psychological development from childhood forward to present experience.
DB