Self-inquiry with Mukesh Gupta
Wednesday, June 12, 2024
At Esquimalt Gorge Park Pavilion
1170 Tillicum Rd., Victoria, BC
Eleven participants in total were present for this meeting with Mukesh Gupta at the Gorge Park Pavilion on Tillicum Road in Esquimalt. Mukesh began the session with a silent sit of five to ten minutes. He then said that it was always a good idea to review the basic principles of self-inquiry, one of which is the exploring of deeper aspects of our nature (or what we are). This, he explained, involves our entire being – our heart, our mind, and our senses. In self-inquiry there is no fixed goal to be reached. We join together to explore ourselves without authority or hierarchy in a relationship of friends. We are not in any rush to find an answer to any particular question or to apply past knowledge to our uncertainties. It is more that we are opening to a silent space wherein any problem can be faced. There is a slowing down of our thinking; affection and love are the ground of the journey. It is a sacred space for exploring together in a compassionate presence. A deep listening is needed, along with a suspension of reactions. Anyone can share a question or issue which the group can then explore. We are not interested in judging each other.
One group member asked how we can best stay present when we are badly triggered and tempted to go into a reaction. It was suggested that it would be helpful for there to be plenty of space for everyone to contribute to the conversation. Any belief in “what should be” was deemed to be counter-productive to meaningful dialogue. Also, if individuals can find a capacity in themselves to trust that the group’s interactions will turn out to be supportive as the communication unfolds, then that would probably be helpful to the flow of sharing. There would be space for reactions, and this would create less argument along with less fear of losing both inner and outer space.
As we talked together, we realised that there was a beautiful silence in the room being shared by the whole group. It was a suitable time to bring the meeting to an end.
DB
Meditative Self-inquiry with Mukesh Gupta, July 3, 2024
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Wednesday, July 3, 2024
Esquimalt Gorge Park Pavilion
With Mukesh Gupta
Nine people were in attendance for this afternoon gathering at the lovely Gorge Park pavilion for a meeting sponsored by the Krishnamurti Educational Centre of Canada and held at the Esquimalt location in Victoria, BC. Mukesh Gupta began the session with a period of silence after which he gave a brief introduction to the spirit of self-inquiry. He spoke of the facing of existential questions in a context of quiet minds and a compassionate togetherness. If possible, we must listen to each other – and to ourselves – with great attention where the “Me” is not dominating our awareness and we are not attached to ideas of what is true or what conclusions we may reach.
Mukesh gave a short reading from the July 4 selection in The Book of Life which turned out to mention the subject of happiness and the idea of getting what we want. Mukesh probed us about our own deep questions regarding happiness and a number of participants spoke of the difference between a state of Being and one of becoming. There were questions about how we can attain an experience of Being: can we just feel it directly within ourselves?
We explored the possibility of boredom, which can result from being quiet and entering a state of “emptiness”. Is there an insight or “seeing” which brings a central understanding about our seeking of happiness inside or outside ourselves. Does an insight come from our thinking process and is thought the source of our understanding?
As we came to an end of our dialogue, we spoke of the importance of looking carefully into the “I” we take ourselves to be and the problems such a sense of identity can create. We came to the point that the “I” must be questioned and perhaps exposed as a false identity. It was an interesting and revealing way to end our session
DB
Self-inquiry with Mukesh Gupta, June 30, 2024
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With Mukesh Gupta
Sunday, June 30, 2024
At KECC Metchosin
Seven participants in total were present for this Sunday afternoon meeting at the Krishnamurti Educational Centre of Canada in Metchosin, BC, at the 538 Swanwick Road location. The weather was warm and dry, with no rain, so we were able to sit on the front lawn in the sunshine. The gathering was facilitated by Mukesh Gupta who began with a short period of silence which, he said, allowed the flowering of a quality beyond thought and memory and created a space within which group members could bring forward any question that was wanting to be asked and explored within the group context. If there was no pressing question then Mukesh would read a selection from The Book of Life: Daily Meditations with J Krishnamurti. The book had been chosen as particularly relevant to the engagement with the process of self-inquiry which was the focus of the Meditative Self-inquiry sessions.
Mukesh asked if one of the group would like to read a passage, which she then shared with the others in the group. We then entered into a dialogue which investigated the meaning of the Krishnamurti quote and sought to illuminate more deeply the truth of what was said. The questions and topics for exploration that arose amongst the participants were, at first, the nature of relationship and love both within relationship and outside the field of personal interaction. It was suggested that love may be much deeper than thought but, also, what is love in fact? There was some discussion of the role of the “self” and the self-image in the inhibition of the energy of love and the need to be aware of the presence of a tendency in each of us to give or to take in our relationships with others and within ourselves. We asked what quality is dominating our consciousness at any given time and how we are affected by the habit of separating ourselves from each other psychologically. Does a sense of separateness mean love is missing? Are the two mutually exclusive? Must the “I” disappear before love can appear? Is love an ultimate goal or can there be an immediate seeing of whatever our state is? Can we ever say “I know love”?
It was an interesting afternoon of inquiry and “meditation” on some challenging issues.
Meditative Self-inquiry with Mukesh Gupta, June 26, 2024
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June 26, 2024
Esquimalt Park Pavilion
Victoria, BC
There was a small turnout of just five people for this Wednesday afternoon meeting at the Esquimalt Park Pavilion with Mukesh Gupta. After the usual quiet period, Mukesh said that he would like to explore the question of happiness with the small group. What is the nature of happiness and how do we experience it? Can our biological and psychological conditioning be approached in a way that allows joy and love to flourish? Is there a state of peace that can be lived? Is there any permanent good feeling that can be attained, or does our experience keep changing so that we can hold on to nothing that lasts or endures? We explored these questions deeply and found that there are many ways and reasons why we cannot come to a stable happiness in the face of the fact of transience in our life experience.
We came to the insight that as soon as the “I” comes into our consciousness there can be no permanent happiness. Thought is constantly creating images which create a separation between the observer and the observed. Can there be a consistency, depth, and power in our observation that can dissolve the images as they arise? This seems to be what Krishnamurti is suggesting with his “impossible questions”. Can we stay with such profound questions so that the answer is found in the very awareness brought to bear on the questions? Can there be a willingness to “die before we die,” to allow the “I” to let go of its solidity? We ended with the challenge of the question before us.
DB
Self-inquiry with Mukesh Gupta, June 23, 2024
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June 23, 2024
At KECC Metchosin Gatehouse
Nine participants were in attendance in total for this Sunday afternoon meeting with Mukesh Gupta. He went over briefly some of the principles of dialogue or “Meditative Self-inquiry”, as he calls it. One of the most important principles is that we accept ourselves as we are and not as we would like to be. The psychic structures making up ourselves can be seen with affection and non-judgement. Knowledge about ourselves is not the point, but, rather, a sharing of our compassionate presence and a looking together at our lives in a quiet manner. Moving together slowly, we can ask any questions while leaving space between questions and answers. The whole experience is relevant, important, and significant.
At that point one group member asked a question about authentic relationships with others where there is a desire to keep the energy of the exchange smooth and not to risk creating conflict. Learning about ourselves may involve taking risks in relationship and we may have to go through difficult challenges. We must see for ourselves how we are reacting. In fact, noticing what is going on is central to the process of self-transformation and “being in our heart” is a powerful reality that must be explored. It involves the exploring of our self-awareness and learning to trust the deeper aspects of our being.
The meeting ended with a lovely period of silent “meditation”.
DB
Self-inquiry with Mukesh Gupta, June 19, 2024
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June 19, 2024
at KECC Metchosin
Nine people in total were present for this meeting with Mukesh Gupta at the lovely Esquimalt Gorge Park Pavilion on a Wednesday afternoon I have had a great deal of trouble filing this report due to technical problems so wish to submit only a short report for the moment. Perhaps I will add to the report later once I get the hang of the computer.
We began with a short period of quietness connecting with our “Presence” and “deeper silence” as Mukesh called it. He then gave a short introduction to the principles of Meditative Self-inquiry as he understands it. He then read a passage from The Book of Life: Daily Meditations with Krishnamurti which he recommends for our personal study of K’s teachings. The passage spoke of the necessity of self-knowledge for transformation. We must know ourselves as we are, not as we would like to be. We must be free of all beliefs, ugly or beautiful, and it is about understanding ourselves – not Krishnamurti.
People described their experience of self-knowing and how it has been meaningful to them in dealing with their conditioning and with the sometimes painful process of learning and unlearning. We spoke of the desire of the self to survive and the consequent attempts to control life, which creates a good deal of suffering. We discussed how people’s ways of being are fundamentally alike, seeing which can bring forth greater compassion and empathy. We also wondered whether we are just the surface qualities of our being or is there something in us beyond the contents of our consciousness.
The session ended with a lovely silence, which seemed like a good way to end.
DB
Self-inquiry with Mukesh Gupta, June 16, 2024
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Sunday, June 16, 2024
At KECC, Metchosin, BC
Six people in total were present for this Sunday afternoon meeting sponsored by the Krishnamurti Educational Centre of Canada and held at the Swanwick Road location with Mukesh Gupta facilitating the dialogue. The weather as we began was very suitable for sitting outside on the lawn but towards the end of the session some rain began to fall and we decided to move inside, with the Gate House offering the best locale for the last twenty minutes of the meeting.
Right from the beginning Mukesh invited us all to bring Presence to the gathering, both outwardly and inwardly. This would function as an action of the Heart and would connect us with our inner silence. Meditative self-inquiry, Mukesh stated, involved a slowing down, a listening to each other and ourselves, a watching of reactions, and a natural quietness that comes as we observe with compassion, do not rush, and respond with questions rather than expressing our knowledge. What question is most alive for us, he asked.
Several participants were interested in exploring the challenge of facing our own death and the idea that we must “die before we die”. What place does facing our own death and that of close loved ones in the here and now have for us? It seemed that everyone was keen to investigate the question and we were drawn to look into a number of issues surrounding the possibility of “surrendering” psychologically to the fact of our own ending. We looked at some of the ways we have separated life and death and distanced ourselves from the fear of the latter. It was a lively and revealing inquiry into a challenging topic.
DB
Self-inquiry with Mukesh Gupta on June 12, 2024
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Wednesday, June 12, 2024
At Esquimalt Gorge Park Pavilion
1170 Tillicum Rd., Victoria, BC
Eleven participants in total were present for this meeting with Mukesh Gupta at the Gorge Park Pavilion on Tillicum Road in Esquimalt. Mukesh began the session with a silent sit of five to ten minutes. He then said that it was always a good idea to review the basic principles of self-inquiry, one of which is the exploring of deeper aspects of our nature (or what we are). This, he explained, involves our entire being – our heart, our mind, and our senses. In self-inquiry there is no fixed goal to be reached. We join together to explore ourselves without authority or hierarchy in a relationship of friends. We are not in any rush to find an answer to any particular question or to apply past knowledge to our uncertainties. It is more that we are opening to a silent space wherein any problem can be faced. There is a slowing down of our thinking; affection and love are the ground of the journey. It is a sacred space for exploring together in a compassionate presence. A deep listening is needed, along with a suspension of reactions. Anyone can share a question or issue which the group can then explore. We are not interested in judging each other.
One group member asked how we can best stay present when we are badly triggered and tempted to go into a reaction. It was suggested that it would be helpful for there to be plenty of space for everyone to contribute to the conversation. Any belief in “what should be” was deemed to be counter-productive to meaningful dialogue. Also, if individuals can find a capacity in themselves to trust that the group’s interactions will turn out to be supportive as the communication unfolds, then that would probably be helpful to the flow of sharing. There would be space for reactions, and this would create less argument along with less fear of losing both inner and outer space.
As we talked together, we realised that there was a beautiful silence in the room being shared by the whole group. It was a suitable time to bring the meeting to an end.
DB
Meditative Self-Inquiry with Mukesh Gupta
Sunday, June 9, 2024
Krishnamurti Educational Centre of Canada
Metchosin, BC
There was a small turnout of six people on a sunny but windy day at the Krishnamurti Centre on Swanwick Road in Metchosin. It was difficult to find a suitable place to sit in a tight circle where we could hear each other talk. Mukesh chose a place sheltered from the worst of the gusts and we settled in as best we could, given the situation, to share our questions, understandings, and insights. It seemed appropriate to address the subject of listening and Mukesh did so right away. “Listening is a complete act,” he offered, “which brings its own freedom. It requires no effort, no seeking; these just get in the way. And listening is connected with “seeing”.
Mukesh read a couple of passages from The Book of Life: Daily Meditations with Krishnamurti. The reading was followed by a quiet sit which was described as the experience of a “space of affection” within which words were not the primary reality. Several participants acknowledged that there is awareness prior to thinking, and this could be called a power of “negation” and a “clarity” which arises when something is seen as false. This brought us to question what it is that we are most interested in as human beings living together and exploring our daily lives. As we often do, we admitted that perhaps our greatest challenge is that of facing fear as we move through our world, both physically and psychologically. We looked at a variety of ways that thought and fear could affect our lives and inquired what could be effective responses to such disturbances when they arose. We discussed our challenges with fear to a significant depth, it seemed, then were treated to another quote from The Book of Life and a few moments of silence which were felt to be a kind of “awakeness” relevant to our dialogue. It was an interesting and meaningful afternoon under the oak trees.
DB
Meditative Self-inquiry with Mukesh Gupta, June 5, 2024
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Esquimalt Gorge Park Pavilion
Wednesday, June 5, 2024
We are happy to have Mukesh Gupta facilitating dialogues with us after
a fairly long break. Ten people in total showed up to participate in a
dialogue session in the pavilion on a lovely warm day which promised a
pleasant spring to come. Mukesh began with a silent sit, followed by an
introduction to the concepts of “meditative” self-inquiry, many of which
the group members seemed familiar with. Also a good deal of what
Mukesh communicated was very much worth reviewing for everyone
present. He reminded us that the spirit and nature of this work was a
deep togetherness wherein we could look into fundamental questions in
our lives and feel safe to really explore the issues and our responses to
them. It is best if there is no hierarchy or psychological separation and
therefore a minimum of fear in our interactions. We are not interested in
judging each other or comparing ourselves with each other. We can
listen to each other from the heart and from beyond the words we are
using. Listening is much more than simply hearing.
Listening, Mukesh maintained, is more than gathering information. It is
about what is really true in the here and now. It is sharing a field of
compassionate learning wherein each moment can be a healing. We can
open up issues and look at them without making them “personal”.
Problems in this context are universal and shared by all humans.
In order to look and listen in this way, slowing down is important. The
mind must be quiet for listening to happen. “Seeing” is not separate from
listening.
One participant spoke of how being listened to can be powerful in
opening and deepening our experience. It can also be a part of the
process of dissolving the “me” or the “ego”. Another group member
stressed the importance of what he called “Presence” and others added
the significance of keeping a connection with a sacred space – a space
of “the unknown”. We all seemed to agree that emptiness has a great
beauty and that holding a question without finding a quick answer can be
a very meaningful “practice”. In this “meditation” there is no purpose, no
motive or goal. Listening can bring an end to separation, which is a great
gift.
We had one final period of silence in which the sensitivity of a deep
quietness was appreciated. It had been a very peaceful and yet rich
sharing of a gentle love and joy, and many participants seemed reluctant
to take leave.
DB
Self-inquiry with Cynthia Overweg, June 2, 2024
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Sunday, June 2, 2024
Metchosin, BC
KECC Gatehouse
Thirteen people showed up for this Sunday afternoon meeting facilitated by Cynthia Overweg. Her quiet and gentle manner accommodated a good number of participants new to the teachings of J. Krishnamurti and the ways in which we explore our understanding of his words and our understanding of ourselves as we contemplate observations from his books and the ideas shared by members of the group that gathers for any discussion or “Dialogue” session. In this meeting Cynthia offered a passage from The Book of Life: Daily Meditation with Krishnamurti wherein K posed the question “What would you do if you suddenly were faced with having only one hour to live?” The question stimulated some very interesting responses from the group, some related to the sense of relationship with individuals we would never be seeing again and the desire to acknowledge the preciousness of having been with them for whatever times of heightened meaning were provided by the feelings of love and connection that had been and perhaps were even more valued now that an ending of those experiences was approaching. Would people hold on to resentments and judgements about others/ Would they be more forgiving? Would there be anything to forgive? Is forgiveness an action of the mind or of the heart?
Along with the heightened feeling of appreciation for good human friendship was the possibility of greater appreciation of our surroundings and of nature. Would there be an embracing of what is most important to us and to our true “identity”, which has no need to cling to superficial aspects of our being and activities? How, in contemplating death, do we feel about the famous advice to “die before you die”? Can we live in that state in the present moment.
It was mentioned that the participants seemed very ready to contemplate the subject and displayed little fear of the fact of death when invited to discuss it. One person commented that not only is death the unknown but also life is full of unknowns we must face in our daily existence.
This will be our last meeting with Cynthia before she returns home. We have much appreciated her presence and guidance in our self-inquiry “practice” and will look forward to future times together.
DB