Self-inquiry with Hillary Rodrigues
September 5, 2024
At Esquimalt Park Pavilion
Victoria, BC
Hillary Rodrigues, previously a professor of Religious Studies at the University of Lethbridge, will be facilitating our dialogue sessions in Victoria and at the Krishnamurti Educational Centre of Canada in Metchosin for some time to come. The Victoria meetings will be held on Thursday afternoons and this was the first.
Eight people were very pleased to welcome Hillary to the Esquimalt Park Pavilion at 1070 Tillicum Road. Hillary gave a short introductory talk about the nature of dialogue and then led a period of silent meditation where group members could orient themselves to being aware of their own thoughts and feelings as they sat together in a circle. The meeting was then opened up to whatever questions participants might have and would like to explore within the context of the group structure. One group member said she was interested in sensitivity and Hillary then found a relevant reading from The Book of Life: Meditations with Krishnamurti, September 5 selection. The passage from Krishnamurti’s writings spoke of the limitation of the intellect and the potential richness of our perceptions of the world around us when we do not argue and fight about our place in it and thereby miss being aware of our surroundings.
Krishnamurti wrote that sensitivity has no conditioning to it. It takes us out of the field of fears and anxieties.
One participant shared her idea of sensitivity by saying that it was a quality of Presence and of Being. She tries to be as present as possible at all times. Another group member explained that, for him, sensitivity can be quite uncomfortable and can open him to fear and a sense of disturbance. Being aware can include awareness of the inner life. It may not be thought that is aware but, rather, the awareness of thinking and sensation is present. Eckhart Tolle suggests we be in a state of wondering what our next thought will be. This can bring about an alertness. Where is awareness located? Is it an attribute of consciousness?
Another interesting question is to ask ourselves “Why am I here?” Hillary suggested that holding the question can provide an answer or answers that are rich and full and can bring a kind of closure to our questioning. No answer may be ultimately possible. We looked into some basic existential questions which were subtle and with a kind of Zen Buddhist nature such as “neither this nor that”.
The importance of “openness” was emphasised by one participant and confirmed by Hillary and expanded upon. Intellect narrows awareness, it was agreed, while choiceless awareness broadens perception. Hillary asked if intelligence can arise out of such awareness. The topic was explored further and various observations were shared. The meeting time came to an end with a sense of having enjoyed the group meditation or dialogue process.
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Self-inquiry with Hillary Rodrigues, September 8, 2024
/in Event Summaries /by David BruneauSelf-inquiry,
September 8, 2024
With Hillary Rodrigues
At KECC Metchosin
Eleven people in total were in attendance for this afternoon meeting at 538 Swanwick Road in Metchosin, BC. It was a beautiful sunny day and we were able to sit out on the front lawn with the lovely views and the sounds of nature. Hillary Rodrigues, our facilitator and support person, began the session with a short period of silence. He commented that it can be challenging to be silent and that the opportunity was present to observe ourselves while intending to be deeply quiet. After the five minutes or so of silence Hillary opened the meeting to any questions that had come up in the reading of The Book of Life: Meditations with Krishnamurti or any other readings or questions. He mentioned that dialogue is a learning together about any issue that has arisen or any reaction that has taken place in our consciousness. This inspired one participant to relate an event that happens to her occasionally where she is suddenly lit up by some idea that seems to come out of nowhere. She was curious to explore what happens, especially as the happening sometimes develops into a “passion” or something of beauty or love.
Another participant asked how we become passionate about anything? What happens if a loaded gun is pointed at our head? What do we feel? “What is” may not be pleasant. Krishnamurti suggests that we remain present with whatever is. Does that feel dangerous? Can it be peaceful? Does the experience come to an end? Could we all just be with what is? Would that awaken an intelligence which could resolve the world’s problems? Is there compassion in K’s response?
One participant suggested that “seeing” or “insight” is what is needed most deeply in order for any transformation to take place. Does that happen in our inquiry? The question was left as an open one that could be held in “choiceless awareness”
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Self-inquiry with Hillary Rodrigues, September 5, 2024
/in Event Summaries /by David BruneauSelf-inquiry with Hillary Rodrigues
September 5, 2024
At Esquimalt Park Pavilion
Victoria, BC
Hillary Rodrigues, previously a professor of Religious Studies at the University of Lethbridge, will be facilitating our dialogue sessions in Victoria and at the Krishnamurti Educational Centre of Canada in Metchosin for some time to come. The Victoria meetings will be held on Thursday afternoons and this was the first.
Eight people were very pleased to welcome Hillary to the Esquimalt Park Pavilion at 1070 Tillicum Road. Hillary gave a short introductory talk about the nature of dialogue and then led a period of silent meditation where group members could orient themselves to being aware of their own thoughts and feelings as they sat together in a circle. The meeting was then opened up to whatever questions participants might have and would like to explore within the context of the group structure. One group member said she was interested in sensitivity and Hillary then found a relevant reading from The Book of Life: Meditations with Krishnamurti, September 5 selection. The passage from Krishnamurti’s writings spoke of the limitation of the intellect and the potential richness of our perceptions of the world around us when we do not argue and fight about our place in it and thereby miss being aware of our surroundings.
Krishnamurti wrote that sensitivity has no conditioning to it. It takes us out of the field of fears and anxieties.
One participant shared her idea of sensitivity by saying that it was a quality of Presence and of Being. She tries to be as present as possible at all times. Another group member explained that, for him, sensitivity can be quite uncomfortable and can open him to fear and a sense of disturbance. Being aware can include awareness of the inner life. It may not be thought that is aware but, rather, the awareness of thinking and sensation is present. Eckhart Tolle suggests we be in a state of wondering what our next thought will be. This can bring about an alertness. Where is awareness located? Is it an attribute of consciousness?
Another interesting question is to ask ourselves “Why am I here?” Hillary suggested that holding the question can provide an answer or answers that are rich and full and can bring a kind of closure to our questioning. No answer may be ultimately possible. We looked into some basic existential questions which were subtle and with a kind of Zen Buddhist nature such as “neither this nor that”.
The importance of “openness” was emphasised by one participant and confirmed by Hillary and expanded upon. Intellect narrows awareness, it was agreed, while choiceless awareness broadens perception. Hillary asked if intelligence can arise out of such awareness. The topic was explored further and various observations were shared. The meeting time came to an end with a sense of having enjoyed the group meditation or dialogue process.
DB
Self-inquiry, September 1, 2024
/in Event Summaries /by David BruneauSelf-inquiry
Sunday, September 1, 2024
With David Bruneau
At KECC Metchosin
Five participants in total were present for this Sunday afternoon meeting at the Swanwick Road location of the Krishnamurti Educational Centre of Canada in Metchosin, BC. David was invited to facilitate the meeting in the absence of Hilary Rodrigues, who will be facilitating for most of the month of September. It was a lovely, sunny day which enabled us to sit on the lawn in front of the Main House. The sun was quite hot, which encouraged us to move to a more shady location on the grass and made things more comfortable for the second half of the gathering.
David started the meeting with a guided meditation inviting participants to be fully present and attentive to their thoughts and feelings. He then read the September 1 passage from The Book of Life: Daily Meditations with Krishnamurti, the book we have been using as a reference to the teachings of Krishnamurti. Later in the session David asked if someone would like to read the September 2 entry. The main topics covered by K in those two selections were the difference between insight or “seeing” and knowledge and opinion, the false and the true, and the need for a silent mind in order to perceive the real. The meditation and the readings stimulated group discussion and questioning about how we can know what is true and what is not. How can we see, what does it mean, what is full attention, and the silence that K speaks of were all topics of exploration.
One participant spoke of her experience with Buddhist approaches to self-inquiry and the similarity of Krishnamurti’s approach in some important ways. She felt there was very little contradiction between the Buddhist understanding she had studied and practised and what she had so far heard of K’s approach to self-inquiry and “meditation.”
Group members agreed that many characteristics seemed to be in accord.
Towards the end of the meeting one group member shared some personal issues he had about shame and his challenges with it over the years. This introduced a discussion of “being with” feelings that seemed significant. When the meeting time was over, we moved to the Gatehouse where fruit and snacks were served and further friendly conversation took place. Participants gradually drifted away. It was considered that the small size of the group added to the intimacy and depth of sharing that took place and was thereby a beneficial aspect of the meeting.
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Self-inquiry, August 25, 2024
/in Event Summaries /by David BruneauSelf-inquiry
August 25, 2024
With David Bruneau
At the Krishnamurti Educational Centre of Canada
Metchosin, BC
Six of us were present for this dialogue for which, thanks to sunny weather with almost no wind, we were able to meet on the front lawn with the gorgeous views of the ocean and the mountains. As we sat for the beginning of the session a white cloud formed over the ocean and the trees near William Head prison, lending an atmosphere of mystery to the scene. David had been asked to facilitate the meeting and he began with a guided meditation focusing on the idea of “total attention without effort” which Krishnamurti had often mentioned in his talks. In this case total attention included awareness of the sounds of nature such as the songs of birds and the occasional voices of humans in the distance. Then there were the sensations in our bodies, including any tensions, to be noticed. Being attentive to any such feelings and the accompanying thoughts that arose provided a field of awareness within which insights might arise into the workings of the body-mind and the creation of the individual and group realities that were being experienced, including any conflicts that were being noticed in the consciousness of the participants as we sat in silent observation of the movements of the world around us and the worlds within. It was later shared by some of the group that they had noticed a certain richness of experience as attention was given to being present and aware. We also entered into an inquiry concerning the presence of the conflicts noticed and their nature, which added an extra layer of interest to the dialogue. The various participants all made valuable contributions to the conversation and we were all sad to say goodbye to a couple of them who would be returning to their somewhat distant homes before our next meeting at the Krishnamurti Centre.
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Self-inquiry with Christina Merkley, August 18, 2024
/in Event Summaries /by David BruneauSelf-inquiry with Christina Merkley
Sunday, August 18, 2024
At KECC Metchosin, BC
Christina Merkley volunteered to facilitate a meeting for the Krishnamurti Educational Centre of Canada. She has had experience with a certain kind of inquiry which Ralph considered might be interesting for us. It is a kind of spontaneous process which unfolds as it develops along the lines of what group members share as they notice whatever they perceive about the way the group energy or the energy of individuals in the group is expressing itself. Christna drew pictures on large sheets of white paper representing the group process which could then be used to further explore what was happening for group members.
Nine people in total were present for the afternoon meeting on the front lawn in front of the Main House. The weather was very appropriate for sitting outdoors as there was almost no wind at all and sunshine was appearing more and more as the afternoon progressed. Christina began the session with a silent meditation of about ten minutes. She then asked for people’s feedback about what was happening for them. One group member expressed an interest in exploring the possibilities of what Krishnamurti had called “thinking together”.
One participant shared that she was feeling “resistance”. Christina asked if that resistance could be welcomed here and what happened when it was welcomed. People then reported their experiences of thoughts arising, dogs barking, and the earlier presence of a bear on the property. A sense of “togetherness” was reported wherein it seemed that a sense of group wholeness was present. This changed into a sense that togetherness was lacking and what was being felt was a sense of separateness and attachment to the feeling of individuality. This again shifted to a feeling of just being in the present moment with a sense of ease. One person then expressed that for him all experiences were “coming back to “nothingness” or “emptiness”. We then went back over what had happened and considered engaging once again with another inquiry. There was a feeling that time was running out and it might be better to engage freshly on another occasion. Participants expressed that the whole inquiry had been very interesting (or not).
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Self-inquiry, August 11, 2024
/in Event Summaries /by David BruneauSelf-inquiry with David Bruneau
August 11, 2024
At KECC, Metchosin, BC
Five people in total attended this afternoon meeting at the Krishnamurti Educational Centre of Canada (in Metchosin). The weather allowed us to sit outside on the lawn in front of the Main House but the temperature dropped as the afternoon progressed and some felt the coldness as the time passed. The group discussion or dialogue focused largely on our perception of thoughts and ideas and the central place in Krishnamurti’s teachings of the process and value of “seeing” and “insight”. Questions were raised about how K’s teachings could be characterised. Was K a psychologist or a philosopher? Did he use thought to understand thought, or can only awareness understand thought? We entered some fairly complex explorations of thought and “proprioception” which took us into the realm of David Bohm”s work with Thought as a System as well as his other explorations and how they related to K’s presentation of the nature of thought. We also looked into the effectiveness and ineffectiveness of meditation as taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and criticised by Krishnamurti, who said at times that mantra meditation created a dull mind and was ultimately quite limited. Various forms of Buddhist meditation were explored and evaluated in terms of their value as instruments of insight or their degree of power for self-transformation. The discussion eventually came to an end as we retired to the Gatehouse for some warmth and snacks.
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Self-inquiry, August 11, 2024
/in Event Summaries /by David BruneauSelf-inquiry with David Bruneau
August 11, 2024
At KECC, Metchosin, BC
Five people in total attended this afternoon meeting at the Krishnamurti Educational Centre of Canada (in Metchosin). The weather allowed us to sit outside on the lawn in front of the Main House but the temperature dropped as the afternoon progressed and some felt the coldness as the time passed. The group discussion or dialogue focused largely on our perception of thoughts and ideas and the central place in Krishnamurti’s teachings of the process and value of “seeing” and “insight”. Questions were raised about how K’s teachings could be characterised. Was K a psychologist or a philosopher? Did he use thought to understand thought, or can only awareness understand thought? We entered some fairly complex explorations of thought and “proprioception” which took us into the realm of David Bohm”s work with Thought as a System as well as his other explorations and how they related to K’s presentation of the nature of thought. We also looked into the effectiveness and ineffectiveness of meditation as taught by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and criticised by Krishnamurti, who said at times that mantra meditation created a dull mind and was ultimately quite limited. Various forms of Buddhist meditation were explored and evaluated in terms of their value as instruments of insight or their degree of power for self-transformation. The discussion eventually came to an end as we retired to the Gatehouse for some warmth and snacks.
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Self-inquiry with Mukesh Gupta, July 28, 2024
/in Event Summaries /by David BruneauMeditative Self-inquiry
With Mukesh Gupta
Sunday, July 28, 2024
At KECC Metchosin
Mukesh opened this afternoon session with a period of silence, then revealed that he would like to explore the core of J. Krishnamurti’s teachings. What is the key? he asked, to approaching the source of any problem we face, no matter what the issue? How we approach any problem depends on understanding the source of it. This requires attention, but what exactly is attention? Concentration is not needed, Thought based on memory is not required. A different kind of energy is needed. What is it? How we listen to ourselves is crucial. Are we listening now, not just to the words but to the space that is quiet and attentive? From this inner space we can listen, we can relax into the problem so it can be observed and understood. This attention is the only energy that is beyond conditioning.
Sixteen people in total were present for the meeting held on a sunny and windless afternoon. Mukesh asked us to move slowly as we shared our perceptions. Again he asked the question, “What is attention?” If we are not looking from the mind, then what is asking the question? Is it not that what is asking the question and seeking the answer is in fact not definable? But, one participant commented, one quality required is “interest”. There must be a not-knowingness, a quality of the unknown. A constant watchfulness stops the thinking and a sense of leisure is part of this awareness. We are looking for something – happiness – that is already here, like a fish seeking water. Without attention how can we relate to another, to life? Is there a different space, a simple space of silence? Is there any purpose or any answer? Even non-silence is not a problem.
Attention is not just mindfulness, Mukesh pointed out. It has compassion and love in it. Can there also be a great relaxation? Why is there so much self-protection in our attention? Surely, it is not a gradual process to achieve the qualities of love and compassion. In spite of that it may require a degree of security and there was a wondering if we ever find it entirely. Is grabbing at security like chasing a mirage? Is there any separation in attention, or is there harmony?
Other questions that arose challenged the nature of thought itself, which seems to bring an army of problems. What happens when we stay with what is happening within us? There may be more needed than mere noticing. Can there be patience and urgency at the same time?
It was a valuable afternoon
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Meditative Self-inquiry with Mukesh Gupta, July 21,2024
/in Event Summaries /by David BruneauMeditative Self-inquiry
Sunday, July 21, 2024
With Mukesh Gupta
At KECC Metchosin
Ten people were present for this Sunday afternoon meeting with Mukesh Gupta at the Swanwick Road location in Metchosin. The meeting was sponsored by the Krishnamurti Educational Centre of Canada and it began in the Gatehouse before it was decided to try sitting on the lawn in front of the main house. The change in location was enjoyed by most of the participants but a few were feeling cold towards the end of the session.
Mukesh began the meeting with a silent sit and a short introduction to the nature of self-inquiry. He said that in self-inquiry it is very important to slow down and to inhabit the space in a way that creates a togetherness. The process is more one of the “heart” than of the intellect. Listening from the space of the heart there is no limitation. We are exploring, or, rather, a shared space is exploring without judging. There is an inquiry into what is true in this moment. What is arising may be from the past but then the question is “how do we relate to it?” Do we judge “what is” as good or bad? Any judgement is a waste of energy, it was said. Pure observation was invited as the most effective and meaningful approach
Participants offered some descriptions of their state of mind when listening in a state of presence or in what some called “meditation”. States of “mind” were described as “high” or “low” energy and it was asked if such a variation was not natural. A distinction was made between the state of “becoming” and the state of “Being” or peacefulness where there is no effort to reach or achieve any particular state.
There was a sharing of being open to one’s own likes and dislikes within oneself and the flow from one personality to another where there might even be a sense of multiple personalities. It was said that the personality is “the known” and there is no freedom in that state. When there is a seeing of the personality then there is a dissolution, which brings some freedom. The state of Presence is the freedom from the personality. One group member emphasised that our true nature or essence is Divine and we must fully acknowledge that aspect of what we are.
We spoke of the truth of non-movement, of that which is prior to all movement and all arising. In that state there are no points of reference and no place to land on. There is neither this nor that. There is a state of beauty when one is beyond the mind.
Our explorations seemed sometimes difficult to follow and yet there seemed to be significant moments of “truth” and insight.
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Self-inquiry with Mukesh Gupta, July 17, 2024
/in Event Summaries /by David BruneauSelf Inquiry with Mukesh Gupta
July 17, 2024
At Esquimalt Gorge Park Pavilion
1170 Tillicum Rd.,
Victoria, BC
Nine people in total were in attendance at this Wednesday afternoon meeting with Mukesh Gupta at the Gorge Park Pavilion in Esquimalt. We began with a period of silence which was then followed by a reading and some comments emerging from The Book of Life: Daily Meditations with Krishnamurti. The selection was read by Mukesh. The quote from J. Krishnamurti was to the effect that there is no path to truth. Truth is to have an open and simple heart when there is not a fullness of the things of the mind but rather of the things of the heart. The mind must be empty and the heart full, whereas the opposite is usually the case.
There followed some discussion which touched the interconnectedness between people and the presence of love, with a listening and a paying of attention to each other. It was said that words are not so relevant. What do we really wish to communicate? When the “me” is not dominant then there is an offering of attention and Presence. The “me” or “self” is suspended for the moment.
Mukesh asked what is the tendency to get lost in the activities of the mind and why can we not put aside our concern with the “I”? It was suggested that the intensity of a question – the curiosity and passion with which it is asked – may be a crucial element in dealing effectively with the habitual tendencies of thought and the mind. On the other hand is it possible for the mind to be totally silent and aware so that all escape has disappeared? Can there be a state where the instrument that created the problem is not employed in transcending it? Can the death of the self be fully faced?
It was quite a delicate inquiry, which was given a good deal of subtle attention and exploration by the group.
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