One of K’s famous books and teachings was titled “Freedom from the Known.” But, as with all words, “known” can be a paradox of sorts. Rupert Spira uses the word (pointer) to establish the relationship of Awareness and Experience. Here is a small excerpt from Rupert’s latest Essay/Dialogue published this month in the SAND 2014 Newsletter, “The Nature of Experience.” I found it very compelling and recommend reading the entire essay. Here is the link. “Our only experiential knowledge of the world is perception – sights, sounds, tastes, textures and smells. In fact, nobody has ever found an independently existing object or world; all that is ever found are perceptions. We cannot therefore even say we have perceptions of the world because that world has never been found. We can only say for sure that we know perceptions. And perceptions are never known independently of Awareness. This is the startling but simple fact of experience that our culture has not yet faced: matter, the dead inert stuff out of which the independently existing universe is supposed to be made, has never been found. Matter is a concept, a valuable concept that is useful as a working model in some situations, but nevertheless a concept. It has never been found. Nor will it ever be found for whatever is found is, by definition, never known independently of Awareness. In fact, even the model of thoughts, sensations and perceptions appearing in Awareness does not stand up to the scrutiny of experience. It is a half way stage that dissolves the belief in the independent reality of matter and mind and establishes the presence and the primacy of Awareness. But once this has been established, not philosophically but in our actual experience, this model too has to be abandoned in favor of one that more accurately reflects the reality of experience. All we know of a thought is the experience of thinking, all we know of a sensation is the experience of sensing, all we know of a sight is the experiencing of seeing, all we know of a sound is the experience of hearing etc. And all that is known of thinking, sensing, seeing, hearing, touching, tasting and smelling is the knowing of them. And what is it that knows this knowing? Only something that itself has the capacity to know could know anything. So it is knowing that knows knowing. All that is ever known is pure knowing, knowing and being itself. And that knowing is your self. All that is known is Awareness knowing itself, the self knowing the self. There is only your self – not a self that belongs to any object or person because there are no objects or people as such to which it could belong. This knowing belongs to itself alone. It is itself and knows itself alone. There are no others or objects there, no inside self or outside world. And what is the name we commonly give to this absence of otherness, distance, separation and objectness? It is beauty or love. Beauty is the discovery that objects are not objects; love is the discovery that others are not others.”
A Glimpse IntoTotal Freedom
/in Event Summaries /by David BruneauA Glimpse Into Total Freedom October 3 – 5, 2014 This weekend retreat was facilitated by Richard Waxberg and Deborah Kerner who live in Ojai and have led many retreats at the Krishnamurti Centre there. The main focus of the weekend was on pure seeing: “a direct impersonal seeing beyond the limitations of thought, its structures, and the illusion of a separate “me”. The format included brief periods of silent sitting, a videotape of Krishnamurti in conversation with Pupul Jayakar in India, and group dialogues which were designed to “create a radical space of exploration”, of “seeing and listening”. There was also a good balance of free time for walks and enjoying the property at the Swanwick Centre. Altogether fifteen people (including facilitators) participated in the program. The facilitators were very skillful in creating an atmosphere of mutual support and affection as well as challenging participants to question assumptions and beliefs and to delve into their experience. The participants in their turn seemed very eager for and capable of a deep looking into themselves. It seemed the dialogues were unusually profound and valuable for everyone, bringing many insights and often a sense of an energetic shift in consciousness from “becoming” to “being” and a greater appreciation of the mystery of beingness “beyond time, beyond meaning and purpose”. There was a good deal of talk about how wonderful the weekend had been and how another such meeting could be arranged in the future. Hopefully Richard and Deborah will be returning before very long.
You are the world and so are “they” and “them.”
/in Event Summaries /by David BruneauUp at 5 am this morning and the urge came to walk to McDonalds for coffee and use the wi-fi to send a friend a B Day greeting. Ordering coffee and a muffin the clerk asked if I’d like to have the large size so that I can “play the game.” Of course, I smile and under my breath comes…but I am always playing the game. Apparently McDonalds have a Monopoly game going on and removing the sticker I find ‘Park Place’ and ‘Board Walk’. Anyway, firing up the Acer, I begin composing my B Day message. Of course it is not your ordinary flowery variety; as there is no longer belief in the whole birth, life and death story, it is one of Rumi’s poems, more a celebration of Being than birth, if you will. And as I compose my message I can’t help overhearing the conversation at a nearby table where four or five ‘regulars’ are discussing various topics as they read the newspaper. There is constant reference to “they” and “them” that had done something they shouldn’t have or the latest political scandal in China that “they” should do something about, and on and on it went… “they and “them”… “they and “them”. As I was leaving I just had to stop at the ‘regular’s’ table. Smiling I say… “Excuse me guys, but I couldn’t help overhearing your conversation. Did you ever stop and ask who “they” and “them” are? I mean besides the roles “they” seem to be playing? Pausing, but as there was no response, I say… “They and them are ourselves in a temporary disguise… Have a good day.” This is R’s version of K’s message… “You are the world and the world is you.” PS – After closing my laptop I too opened the newspaper and scanned the pages and funny as it sounds, the only thing that seemed to draw my attention was the Horoscope page (which of course I never seem to read)! Something about… Today, Robert would be in one of his silly moods but to go ahead and be silly despite what “others” might think. Go figure.
“The Known” IS Freedom
/in Event Summaries /by David BruneauOne of K’s famous books and teachings was titled “Freedom from the Known.” But, as with all words, “known” can be a paradox of sorts. Rupert Spira uses the word (pointer) to establish the relationship of Awareness and Experience. Here is a small excerpt from Rupert’s latest Essay/Dialogue published this month in the SAND 2014 Newsletter, “The Nature of Experience.” I found it very compelling and recommend reading the entire essay. Here is the link. “Our only experiential knowledge of the world is perception – sights, sounds, tastes, textures and smells. In fact, nobody has ever found an independently existing object or world; all that is ever found are perceptions. We cannot therefore even say we have perceptions of the world because that world has never been found. We can only say for sure that we know perceptions. And perceptions are never known independently of Awareness. This is the startling but simple fact of experience that our culture has not yet faced: matter, the dead inert stuff out of which the independently existing universe is supposed to be made, has never been found. Matter is a concept, a valuable concept that is useful as a working model in some situations, but nevertheless a concept. It has never been found. Nor will it ever be found for whatever is found is, by definition, never known independently of Awareness. In fact, even the model of thoughts, sensations and perceptions appearing in Awareness does not stand up to the scrutiny of experience. It is a half way stage that dissolves the belief in the independent reality of matter and mind and establishes the presence and the primacy of Awareness. But once this has been established, not philosophically but in our actual experience, this model too has to be abandoned in favor of one that more accurately reflects the reality of experience. All we know of a thought is the experience of thinking, all we know of a sensation is the experience of sensing, all we know of a sight is the experiencing of seeing, all we know of a sound is the experience of hearing etc. And all that is known of thinking, sensing, seeing, hearing, touching, tasting and smelling is the knowing of them. And what is it that knows this knowing? Only something that itself has the capacity to know could know anything. So it is knowing that knows knowing. All that is ever known is pure knowing, knowing and being itself. And that knowing is your self. All that is known is Awareness knowing itself, the self knowing the self. There is only your self – not a self that belongs to any object or person because there are no objects or people as such to which it could belong. This knowing belongs to itself alone. It is itself and knows itself alone. There are no others or objects there, no inside self or outside world. And what is the name we commonly give to this absence of otherness, distance, separation and objectness? It is beauty or love. Beauty is the discovery that objects are not objects; love is the discovery that others are not others.”
Krishnamurti Study Group
/in Event Summaries /by David BruneauKrishnamurti Study Group Saturday, September 20, 2014 Six participants came together to sit outside on a lovely afternoon and continue the study of chapter 15 in Freedom From the Known. The chapter deals with the topics of experience, satisfaction, duality, and meditation. Krishnamurti speaks of what is not meditation in the first place and then explores the kind of attention and awareness in one’s daily life that he calls real meditation: “Meditation is to be aware of every thought and of every feeling, never to say it is right or wrong but just to watch it and move with it. In that watching you begin to understand the whole movement of thought and feeling. And out of this awareness comes silence.” Meditation is a state of complete attention, which cannot be taught by anyone but is perhaps the greatest art in life. It can be going on at any time or place and it opens the possibility of knowing love. A group discussion was interspersed with the reading of the text, with some exploration of quite subtle aspects of how thought creates the duality of observer and observed, subject and object. Other subjects of investigation were brought up by participants and, as often happens, the group was fully immersed in the discussion when the session was brought to a close. There remains one chapter to be studied in this book and then we will move on to examine the text The First and Last Freedom.
Victoria Krishnamurti Event
/in Event Summaries /by David BruneauKrishnamurti Video and Dialogue Victoria, BC September 14, 2014 It was another hot and sunny summer day in Victoria but still four people showed up for the afternoon event at the Church of Truth. The video shown was from the Attention and Order series of talks in Ojai in the spring of 1984. It was the second talk. K went into a number of issues as usual, but he focused particularly on the problem of fear in our lives and how thought and time are responsible. He emphasized that he was not giving a lecture but that he and the audience must explore together and have direct insight into the question. It is also essential to go right to the very end of the investigation into fear and not get stuck half way. A very open and vulnerable dialogue followed the video in which the group honestly examined some of their own experience with fear and conflict. One theme that emerged was the idea, often expressed by Krishnamurti, that our feelings and emotions – our psychological life – is something that is common to all humanity and how this can awaken more of a sense of compassion for others and for ourselves as we inquire into these types of issues. The central factor of the belief in a “separate self” was discussed, as often seems to be the case.
Krishnamurti Study Group
/in Event Summaries /by David BruneauKrishnamurti Study Group Saturday, September 6, 2014 Five of us showed up to read and discuss Chapter 15 in Freedom From the Known in which Krishnamurti discusses experience, satisfaction, duality, and meditation. He begins by inquiring into the demand to experience and questioning what is driving this demand: the fact that we are discontented with what is. This implies a basic duality involving resisting what is and seeking some other experience. He goes into the whole nature of experience and its grounding in the known in some detail. The group took some silent time to look into the issue of discontent with the present moment and the subsequent discussion took us into issues of fear, suffering, and the belief in a separate “me”. Can fear and suffering actually be seen to be unreal as some say, or is that merely a concept or ideal without substance? What seems to be necessary is to go into and through the ego to a state of mind that is more real and true. This includes the exploration of how we can be with, or be open to, the unknown, as K seems to suggest is a key. The dialogue was very lively and perhaps somewhat challenging to some of the assumptions held by the thinking mind.
Krishnamurti Study Group
/in Event Summaries /by David BruneauKrishnamurti Study Session Saturday, August 23, 2014 This week we studied the second half of chapter 14 in Freedom From the Known by J. Krishnamurti. The subject matter included Achievement, Discipline, Silence, Truth, and Reality. There were seven participants and they all were eager to explore. A lively discussion began immediately even before we had read any of the text and the investigation covered a broad range of issues which were presented by the participants. There was an in-depth exploration of fear and insecurity and the question of where true security lies. What is real silence and what is the silence that K is pointing to were questions that challenged the group to look into the text material and their own understanding. It was a lovely summer day and the enjoyment of contemplating ourselves and Truth was enhanced by being able to sit outdoors in the beautiful surroundings.
What does it take to change?
/in Event Summaries /by David BruneauWhat we learn by reading or listening to the teachings of spiritual teachers, depends very much on how we read or listen. Some people feel that they did not change much by reading Krishnamurti’s books for many years. That may be because they tried to understand Krishnamurti’s teachings instead of looking within to see how their own mind worked in the daily activities and in their relationship with human beings, nature and things around. It seems to me that if Krishnamurti’s books or talks did not make an immediate impact on your life, then it is most likely that you were not interested in learning about yourself. You were interested in collecting knowledge or ideas about Krishnamurti and his teachings just like scholars and professors. One professor told Krishnamurti-“Sir, I have studied your teachings for 30 years but I have not moved at all (I have not changed).” Krishnamurti said-“You have not moved because you have not stopped!” To stop means to stop reading and looking within in daily activities of relationship. By looking within in awareness, we learn directly. This direct learning by looking within begins to change the quality of our life and relationship. Then we do not repeat Krishnamurti’s ideas. We become more authentic in our observation and expression.
Weekend Events at the Centre
/in Event Summaries /by David BruneauKrishnamurti Study Group Saturday, August 2, 2014 Seven people gathered to study Chapter 14 in Freedom From the Known by J. Krishnamurti. The first part of the chapter focuses on the need for a quiet mind and the issue of resolving psychological problems. K challenges us to find the way to solve a problem immediately by seeing how the problem itself is created by thought. There was some reading of the text and then some focused discussion of the issues raised. Participants were very attentive and present to the exploration and it seemed like some valuable insights occurred. There was a period of silence during which we looked at what prevents a quiet mind and the immediate resolution of a problem. Further interesting discussion followed. Inquiry Sunday Sunday, August 3, 2014 In the afternoon a video of Krishnamurti was shown on the topic of Death: Leaving the Stream. The half hour compilation is one of the Evelyn Blau series “Beyond Myth and Tradition”. There were some comments from the six participants that this video was a particularly clear and direct presentation of a central aspect of K’s teachings. After the DVD the group broke up into pairs and explored what was significant about what had been heard and how it was relevant the our lives. A group dialogue followed during which the question “What does it mean to die psychologically every day, every moment?” was addressed by the group among other topics. The beautiful weather allowed us to sit outdoors frequently over the weekend, which seems to add a certain quality of expansiveness and broader attention.
JK on Violence
/in Event Summaries /by David BruneauThis came in on my facebook page yesterday…thought I should pass it on.